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Post by talysman on Mar 18, 2013 22:31:50 GMT -6
I noticed this change in the Ref Doc version B, Vol 3, p16, under Ghouls: "Their attack rolls and morale checks are penalized by -2 in daylight".
I looked up other undead: skeletons and zombies never check morale, but there's no mention of morale for mummies, wights, wraiths, specters, or vampires (except for their effect on the morale of mortal men.)
Is this an error, or are DD undead not immune to morale checks unless they are mindless?
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Post by waysoftheearth on Mar 19, 2013 3:20:03 GMT -6
Is this an error, or are DD undead not immune to morale checks unless they are mindless? It's not an error as far as I'm aware. The only undead that are said to be immune to morale checks are skeletons and zombies. What probably is still an omission from v2 is that the -2 penalty isn't stated explicitly for wights also. Whether that same penalty should apply to all undead is for the individual referee to decide...
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Post by talysman on Mar 19, 2013 13:57:15 GMT -6
Monsters & Treasure is silent on the matter, but Chainmail does include morale ratings for ghouls, wights, wraiths and specters, while AD&D says that ghouls attack without fear, suggesting the game started drifting away from morale rolls for undead, which is probably where I got the idea.
I think for my game I'll split the difference. Undead never check morale for things normal troops would check morale for, but things like sunlight, holy water, or a cross (for a vampire) triggers a morale check. Some unique undead will have unique fears. Mindless undead aren't afraid of anything.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Mar 19, 2013 16:01:54 GMT -6
AD&D says that ghouls attack without fear, suggesting the game started drifting away from morale rolls for undead, which is probably where I got the idea. That's what I thought too I think for my game I'll split the difference. Undead never check morale for things normal troops would check morale for, but things like sunlight, holy water, or a cross (for a vampire) triggers a morale check. Some unique undead will have unique fears. Mindless undead aren't afraid of anything. That could make for an interesting house rule Talysman, but I think that's already covered by the fact that many undead are impervious to mundane weaponry. Undead would not, in my opinion, ever need to test morale against a foe incapable of harming them.
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Post by randyb on Mar 19, 2013 17:36:39 GMT -6
On the other hand, it does suggest an interesting alternate mechanic for clerics vs. undead. Definitely needs some fleshing out and tweaking, though.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Mar 20, 2013 3:47:20 GMT -6
On the other hand, it does suggest an interesting alternate mechanic for clerics vs. undead. Definitely needs some fleshing out and tweaking, though. Hi Randyb, I'm not sure whether you mean the house rule should be tweaked, or Delving Deeper should be tweaked? In case you meant the latter, I would say that Delving Deeper aims to emulate the original. I'm content that -- with the exception of the entry for wights -- the current revision (v2) meets that goal appropriately. In case you meant the former; yes, house ruling is an open party. DD is meant to be house ruled
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