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Post by bestialwarlust on Aug 24, 2012 7:48:45 GMT -6
I'll just be glad when it finally comes out.
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Post by ravenheart87 on Sept 3, 2012 5:23:20 GMT -6
So, no tower/stronghold/guild building info for magic-users and thieves of high level? Interesting. I like how short the class descriptions are by the way. I'm thinking about rewriting the various sub-classes for DD, but I suppose you already have plans for publishing a supplement with stuff like these.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 9:20:12 GMT -6
So, no tower/stronghold/guild building info for magic-users and thieves of high level? Interesting. I like how short the class descriptions are by the way. I'm thinking about rewriting the various sub-classes for DD, but I suppose you already have plans for publishing a supplement with stuff like these. We were attempting to emulate a certain era. Within that era, MUs and thieves didn't have strongholds. In fact, that era didn't have thieves as player-characters! As for the sub-classes, DD is really easy to tack extra stuff onto. If you feel your work is worthy? Write it up and post it here, or contact John about getting it published! |
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Post by ravenheart87 on Sept 3, 2012 11:12:15 GMT -6
We were attempting to emulate a certain era. Within that era, MUs and thieves didn't have strongholds. In fact, that era didn't have thieves as player-characters! Funny, but until you mentioned I didn't notice that magic-users had no towers or strongholds in WhiteBox! Maybe AD&D and other retroclones spoiled me. However while the era didn't have thieves as PCs, Delving Deeper does, so that's no excuse.  Just kidding.  As for the sub-classes, DD is really easy to tack extra stuff onto. If you feel your work is worthy? Write it up and post it here, or contact John about getting it published! I will see what I can do. My campaign needs paladins, rangers, samurai, ninjas, monks and druids. I was thinking a lot about creating a "Supplement I druid". |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 12:24:06 GMT -6
Maybe AD&D and other retroclones spoiled me. However while the era didn't have thieves as PCs, Delving Deeper does, so that's no excuse. Just kidding. I know your remark was meant in jest, but just in case anyone else has a similar question, I'd like to offer the following. We tried, from the very beginning, to stick to our mandate of the truest emulation we could reasonably produce. It was difficult, to say the least. In point of fact my co-author, Simon (WaysoftheEarth), had some really good ideas that would have made great additions to the game. We considered many ways to present alternative material, but in the end decided the books should remain true to what we originally wanted. The case of the thief was the toughest choice, and in my estimation our greatest departure from our basic syllabus. Even then, we took great pains to label the class as optional. At any rate, we at BHP appreciate your feedback. Keep it coming! |
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Post by bestialwarlust on Sept 3, 2012 12:43:46 GMT -6
Maybe AD&D and other retroclones spoiled me. However while the era didn't have thieves as PCs, Delving Deeper does, so that's no excuse. Just kidding. I know your remark was meant in jest, but just in case anyone else has a similar question, I'd like to offer the following. We tried, from the very beginning, to stick to our mandate of the truest emulation we could reasonably produce. It was difficult, to say the least. In point of fact my co-author, Simon (WaysoftheEarth), had some really good ideas that would have made great additions to the game. We considered many ways to present alternative material, but in the end decided the books should remain true to what we originally wanted. The case of the thief was the toughest choice, and in my estimation our greatest departure from our basic syllabus. Even then, we took great pains to label the class as optional. At any rate, we at BHP appreciate your feedback. Keep it coming! Honestly I reall like your implementation of the thief with the skills as a d6. I like that the thief is competant from the start with his skills. Instead of "Oh look I have a 10% chance to move silently I'm ready to go!" |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2012 12:56:27 GMT -6
Thanks! Simon wrote that part but, if memory serves, we based that upon a version of the thief even earlier than that which was published.
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Post by ravenheart87 on Sept 3, 2012 14:29:14 GMT -6
I really like how the thief uses an already existing sub-system instead of a seperate one. I was thinking a lot about something similar a year ago, but I would've used d% for some checks (disarming traps, sleight of hands, etc.) and ability score plus racial plus class bonuses. I was under the influence of NetHack and Angband around that time.
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Post by ehiker133 on Sept 3, 2012 16:27:09 GMT -6
Haven't seen the final results yet, so it will be interesting to see which of my layout edits Simon kept in and which didn't make the cut.
From an editor's point of view, the part of the ODD books I have the most trouble with is the monster section. I understand where they were trying to go with their grouping of monsters, but I don't think it was the best method of organization, as it stands. One possible improvement might have been to more clearly delineate the groupings with proper sub-category titles, like, "Undead", "Elemental", "Giant-Types", etc.
Or maybe group them by region.
But, either way, you always end up with a lot of monsters in the "Other" category and it detracts from the overall effect you are trying to achieve.
It might be better to just go with an alphabetical order and throw in a few tables for regional locations.
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 3, 2012 16:47:29 GMT -6
I like it so far. I hope we're going to get some cool supplements after it's out. I don't know how "cool" they are, but I will be re-issuing my winning one page dungeons with DD statistics, as well as a few articles I've written for Fight On with DD statistics. My next "big project" is to write up my Hinterlands campaign setting (as seen in the online games section of these boards) for DD. Others are most welcome to put out supplementary material as well, seeing as it's all OGL, and I will be hosting a website where I'll maintain a list of online DD resources. I know that John has got three pre-existing adventures "translated" into DD stats, all ready to go. I believe Cameron has a couple of things in the pipe that I'd love to see too, including a document containing many of EGG's house rules from the early days The future looks bright for DD! |
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 3, 2012 16:58:32 GMT -6
But, either way, you always end up with a lot of monsters in the "Other" category and it detracts from the overall effect you are trying to achieve. It might be better to just go with an alphabetical order and throw in a few tables for regional locations. Ehiker did a super job of proof reading DD in the final weeks (thanks Ehiker!) but even before that I had given a lot of thought to how the monsters should be arranged. In the end, I decided to stick with something that emulates the original organisation in M&T. Not just because it is more authentic, but also because it is genuinely useful to the referee that way. Related monsters appear together (or nearby) in the book, rather than being scattered about the book in alphabetical order. All the man-types are together. All the giant-types are together. All the aberrations are together, and so on. It is unusual, but it works. There are also some "regional" tables of randomly occurring monsters in Vol 2. E.g., there are various wilderness, sea-faring, and airborne tables in addition to the usual dungeon level tables. |
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Post by alcyone on Sept 3, 2012 17:42:50 GMT -6
(moved to errata)
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 3, 2012 18:55:27 GMT -6
Thanks Aergraith, Could you please post anything that may requiring fixing in the documents themselves in the errata thread? Thanks |
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Post by ehiker133 on Sept 3, 2012 20:03:17 GMT -6
Thanks, WOTE! I enjoyed it!
I would have liked it, regardless, but throwing in a short deadline added a nice challenge to the mix. Nothing like a good challenge to keep you on your toes.
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Post by Sean Michael Kelly on Sept 3, 2012 20:11:26 GMT -6
I'm looking at the Vols 1 & 2 "No Art" PDF's and I'm so delighted I may not sleep! This is EXACTLY what I was hoping for as far as "ease-of-use" for new players, and nostalgic "been-here-before" for us old-timers. I'm hoping to have a number of "one page" type dungeons/scenarios that I'll post in the spirit and inspiration of Dyson Logos all with DD statistics. I can't wait to run a few demo games at a local FLGS!
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 3, 2012 20:15:45 GMT -6
I'm looking at the Vols 1 & 2 "No Art" PDF's and I'm so delighted I may not sleep! This is EXACTLY what I was hoping for as far as "ease-of-use" for new players, and nostalgic "been-here-before" for us old-timers. I'm hoping to have a number of "one page" type dungeons/scenarios that I'll post in the spirit and inspiration of Dyson Logos all with DD statistics. I can't wait to run a few demo games at a local FLGS! Great to hear, thanks SMK ;D |
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Post by bestialwarlust on Sept 3, 2012 20:27:55 GMT -6
Is the no art out for the rest yet? or still the pre orders only right now?
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Post by mgtremaine on Sept 3, 2012 20:29:05 GMT -6
Just pre-orders.... I already turned my Vol 1 & 2 into play booklets. They look great. -Mike |
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Post by Sean Michael Kelly on Sept 3, 2012 20:33:51 GMT -6
Just pre-orders.... I already turned my Vol 1 & 2 into play booklets. Yep, same here. ...I think they're about to crawl into the couch with me. My wife will smack me if I bring them to bed. |
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 3, 2012 21:46:10 GMT -6
Is the no art out for the rest yet? or still the pre orders only right now? The free, no-art PDFs will be made available to everyone on the web after the pre-order boxed sets are all sorted out. |
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Post by ravenheart87 on Sept 3, 2012 23:52:37 GMT -6
I like it so far. I hope we're going to get some cool supplements after it's out. I don't know how "cool" they are, but I will be re-issuing my winning one page dungeons with DD statistics, as well as a few articles I've written for Fight On with DD statistics. My next "big project" is to write up my Hinterlands campaign setting (as seen in the online games section of these boards) for DD. Hmm, I just started two campaigns on my sandbox setting Xarn - so far I'm working with a city and dungeon map (Ysbrough) and the 26*17 hexmap of a region. I was planning to share these in english (so far I'm only blogging about it in hungarian), maybe DD would be a good base for that. |
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Post by ravenheart87 on Sept 3, 2012 23:53:45 GMT -6
I just started reading Vol I. and II. Early in the morning. In the office. F*cking JAVA code can wait.
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Post by legopaidi on Sept 4, 2012 0:57:07 GMT -6
i'm totally digging the referee's guide.awesome old school stuff!bravo!!!
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Post by Craig J. Brain on Sept 4, 2012 3:16:44 GMT -6
I opened the email and was just blown away! Easy to use, easy on the eye and I think this will be my "go to" fantasy RPG for quite some time Craig J. Brain |
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Post by ravenheart87 on Sept 4, 2012 4:17:29 GMT -6
There are also some "regional" tables of randomly occurring monsters in Vol 2. E.g., there are various wilderness, sea-faring, and airborne tables in addition to the usual dungeon level tables. Maybe I'm blind but I can't find the various wilderness encounter tables, only dungeon, seafaring and aerial tables. |
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 4, 2012 4:47:01 GMT -6
Thanks for the positive remarks guys.
After all the work that went into it, I can't tell you how good it is to hear that people actually appreciate it. Great stuff ;D
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Post by waysoftheearth on Sept 4, 2012 4:48:54 GMT -6
Maybe I'm blind but I can't find the various wilderness encounter tables, only dungeon, seafaring and aerial tables. I think you're onto something Ravenheart; I can't see the wilderness table either! Hold on -- I'll see what can be done... |
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Post by Sean Michael Kelly on Sept 4, 2012 5:35:30 GMT -6
I also have to say that I appreciate that the no-art PDF's actually are reformatted without the art instead of just having blank pages and blank sections within the text to wrap around.
Also, I really like how many of the sections are divided up with headings often on their own page(s). It makes referencing so much easier and will make table handouts, etc a breeze.
Cheers!
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Post by legopaidi on Sept 4, 2012 7:56:23 GMT -6
I also can't find the wilderness exploration tables too. Also is the 3rd Volume been emailed and I just missed it or not yet?
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Post by Ronin84 on Sept 4, 2012 7:58:38 GMT -6
I also can't find the wilderness exploration tables too. Also is the 3rd Volume been emailed and I just missed it or not yet? I believe we all are missing that table and I don't believe the 3rd Volume has come in yet...I haven't gotten mine either. |
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