Prepress Delving

[waysoftheearth]

Welcome People!

A number of folks have lamented the fact that the Delving Deeper rules have not arrived in time for their PBP or table top games, and I'm as keen as anyone to get the dice tumbling.

With the DD PDFs "this close!" to being ready, John, Cameron and Dave have all kindly given their blessing for me to kick off some prepress gaming action. I have their permission to discuss the rules in detail and also to post snippets from the prepress PDFs to get your games up and running.

So if you need details to get your DD game up prepress, ask away! I will do my best to answer your prepress questions.

Also FYI, I'm trying to figure out how I can manage to get my own DD game play fix, so if you're looking for the authentic DD game play experience please let me know

[alcyone]

Cool! I fear my own questions will show how unprepared I am. Here are a couple of questions I thought of:

1. In the DD rules, will Magic Missile be available as a 3rd level spell, or other Greyhawk spells?
2. Are there general guidelines for demi-human multi-classing and human dual-classing?

[waysoftheearth]

Hey Aergraith, thanks for your questions! Exalt to you for being the first one in ;D

Aug 12, 2012 21:19:49 GMT -6 alcyone said:

1. In the DD rules, will Magic Missile be available as a 3rd level spell, or other Greyhawk spells?

Spells selection for DD was complicated somewhat by the fact that DD is derived entirely from the d20 SRD in which spells are arranged and named differently to OD&D. We arrived at what we felt was a well rounded spell list for original play which are all named without infringing on anyone's IP. The list does include a few spells not found in the 3LBBs, but referees always have the option of ignoring those if they wish. We suspect that many will choose not to.

Magic missile was discussed particularly, because it introduces the concept of a "damage dealing" 1st level spell to the game which doesn't appear in the 3LBBs. After much deliberation, we decided to include it as it isn't a game breaker by any means. In fact, it is a bit of a sand trap for inexperienced players, being something of a "wasteful" spell at low levels given that a mundane missile can achieve the same result without expending a valuable spell slot.

For your interest, here is the table of magic-user spells included:


And while we are about it, these are the clerical spells included:


[These images are only blurry due to the way I saved the images for fast download; the tables are crystal sharp in the PDF.]

Aug 12, 2012 21:19:49 GMT -6 alcyone said:

2. Are there general guidelines for demi-human multi-classing and human dual-classing?

Yes, there are, and they are aligned very closely with the original.

I.e., "dual classed" characters are allowed at the referee's discretion. Should the referee allow it, humans require a minimal score of 16 in the prime requisite ability of the class they wish to change to. Non-humans (e.g., elves and so on) have no ability requirement -- but should have level limits instead. Magic-users cannot become clerics, nor vice versa.

A dual classed character must maintain two experience point totals, one for each class. He can "change" class (for the purpose of which class XP are accumulated in) only between adventures.

During an adventure has has the benefits of both classes simultaneously, excepting that: a magic-user (other than an elf wearing magical armour) must always go unarmoured, a thief is always restricted to leather armour, and a cleric is always restricted to clerical weaponry.

I think that is pretty much it. Of course, exactly the same applies to dual-classed elves.

[Sean Michael Kelly]

Aug 12, 2012 20:49:34 GMT -6 waysoftheearth said:

Welcome People!

A number of folks have lamented the fact that the Delving Deeper rules have not arrived in time for their PBP or table top games, and I'm as keen as anyone to get the dice tumbling.

With the DD PDFs "this close!" to being ready, John, Cameron and Dave have all kindly given their blessing for me to kick off some prepress gaming action. I have their permission to discuss the rules in detail and also to post snippets from the prepress PDFs to get your games up and running.

So if you need details to get your DD game up prepress, ask away! I will do my best to answer your prepress questions.

Also FYI, I'm trying to figure out how I can manage to get my own DD game play fix, so if you're looking for the authentic DD game play experience please let me know

Count me in! I'm getting ready to begin an on-going "open campaign" of Dads and sons and was debating whether I was using 3lbb's or LabLord. Either would be fine, but I'd been hoping and waiting for DD!

I'd also like to run demo games of DD in some of the local game store and/or local cons. (I'm also one of those that pre-paid back in March 2011 for the box set!)

[edited to add] I'd also be more than happy to sign and honor a non-disclosure/non-distribution statement. We also did play-testing for Larry Moore's "BareBones Fantasy Game earlier in the year."

[verhaden]

Things have settled down for me a great deal, so I might be interested in starting a PBP game (and seeing it through this time...). A back-to-basics DD game might be the trick.

[waysoftheearth]

Thanks for your interest guys!

Sean Michael Kelly, NDAs and so on are not going to be necessary... you'll have the PDFs before we could figure all that out anyway. In the meantime, I'll do my level best to answer enough questions to get you rolling. Ask away, and I shall answer ;D

verhaden, are you planning to use these boards? If so, I'm interested!

[mgtremaine]

Any chance the PDF's will get out BEFORE the final product get printed? I'm thinking about the fact that get 100's of eyeballs on the product could chase out any lingering errors and make for a very solid print product.

-Mike

[alcyone]

Aug 12, 2012 20:49:34 GMT -6 waysoftheearth said:

Also FYI, I'm trying to figure out how I can manage to get my own DD game play fix, so if you're looking for the authentic DD game play experience please let me know

If you're running something and it's PbP or accessible via virtual tabletop at a time when I am not working or sleeping, I am in.

[waysoftheearth]

Aug 13, 2012 9:08:19 GMT -6 mgtremaine said:

Any chance the PDF's will get out BEFORE the final product get printed?

I'll let John answer this one in the other thread Mike.

[waysoftheearth]

For those wanting a look at some prepress excerpts of DD Vol 1, I've posted a bunch of stuff for the demo game here .

Enjoy

[ehiker133]

Aug 13, 2012 8:11:53 GMT -6 waysoftheearth said:

Thanks for your interest guys!

Sean Michael Kelly, NDAs and so on are not going to be necessary... you'll have the PDFs before we could figure all that out anyway. In the meantime, I'll do my level best to answer enough questions to get you rolling. Ask away, and I shall answer ;D

verhaden, are you planning to use these boards? If so, I'm interested!

Same. Would definitely be interested in this, Verhaden.

[trebormills]

awesome.....I must check out DD as Im out of the loop on this

I am enjoying the images/links to the pre press info

[verhaden]

I'd like to use these boards, as it's very convenient. I'll broach the question to Fin once DD is released.