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Post by geoffrey on Jun 12, 2012 22:34:04 GMT -6
All the way back to the 1974 D&D boxed set, Gary extolled the Harold Shea stories of L. Sprague de Camp & Fletcher Pratt. I own a paperback volume entitled The Complete Enchanter which includes the following Harold Shea novels:
The Roaring Trumpet The Mathematics of Magic The Castle of Iron
Awhile back I read The Roaring Trumpet, and I found it forgettable. I have now read the first 40% or so of The Mathematics of Magic, and I am once again not enjoying the story (beyond a few light chuckles). I get no sense of wonder, no sense of fantasy (as I do with Tolkien, Lewis, MacDonald, Howard, Lovecraft, CAS, M. R. James, Blackwood, Dunsany, Machen, etc.). It all just seems so...dry.
What does everything else think about the Harold Shea stories?
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Post by Morandir on Jun 12, 2012 23:20:38 GMT -6
Not the most memorable, I'd agree, but EGG seemed to love his "modern folk transported to lost/magical worlds" stories.
One thing is that when reading the Wilderness Encounters section of the LBBs for the first time, I was reminded of the section in The Complete Enchanter where the characters are in the Faerie Queen world - a place filled with fantastic castles whose inhabitants are obsessed with knightly honor and jousting and all the like. I'm not sure if that was the actual inspiration or not, but it definitely stuck out to me.
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Post by Falconer on Jun 13, 2012 7:29:29 GMT -6
It’s no Worm Ouroboros, but it did delight me as a kid. Even back then, I thought it was mostly unfunny. But it’s a nerd’s perfect escape fantasy. Travel to some of the greatest fantasy worlds, master magic, marry a babe. Any of you guys watch The Big Bang Theory? Shea = Leonard Chalmers = Sheldon Belphebe = Penny Votsy = Howard Sorta-kinda, right?
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Post by Zenopus on Jun 13, 2012 15:05:49 GMT -6
I read those first three last year. A bit slow-going for me in parts but overall I enjoyed them and thought they were quite different from fantasy that came before it. The ideas about traveling to other universes through logic alone and using sympathetic magic were quite interesting. I haven't read the last two yet. The fifth one was reprinted in early issues of Dragon magazine b/c it was out of print at the time. Holmes cited a different de Camp story in his FRPG book: Solomon's Stone. I wrote a few posts about Holmes & de Camp last year: Holmes on Solomon's Stone by de CampDe Camp's Great Stone SkullConan on the River of DoomHolmes & de Camp in Dragon Magazine
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Post by Zenopus on Jun 13, 2012 15:34:00 GMT -6
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Post by Otto Harkaman on Jul 19, 2012 15:30:08 GMT -6
I enjoyed it way back in the seventies, I still have a copy on my bookshelf.
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Post by jasonzavoda on Jul 23, 2012 7:11:43 GMT -6
I enjoyed the first two Enchanter stories quite a bit, though it has been some time since I've read them. They are light and whimsical and I think that any deep and serious examination of them misses their point.
They contain a number of interesting and neat ideas and they seem perfectly suited to Gygax's vision of AD&D. The plane travelling story from Gygax's book Night Arrant seems to use some of the ideas presented in the Harold Shea Enchanter series and I'd recommend them to anyone as either enjoyable stories or a bit of a window on what inspired AD&D. Personally, as stories, I'd put them at a mark above Eddison's interesting but ponderous works or even a smidgen above Jack Vances Dying Earth tales as stories and below Dying Earth as a resource for gaming ideas.
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Post by Otto Harkaman on Jul 24, 2012 13:21:59 GMT -6
Found a BBC radio dramatization of Spenser's The Faerie Queene. I always wanted to read it after reading the second Enchanter story. I didn't know how bawdry it was going to be! ha ha
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Post by Otto Harkaman on Aug 3, 2012 10:18:37 GMT -6
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Post by Otto Harkaman on Aug 4, 2012 9:45:59 GMT -6
Been getting into the second story and now that I have some idea of the Faerie Queene I am finding it more enjoyable. Interesting how de Camp and Pratt interweave their literary wit. I remember reading an interview somewhere about how they wrote these stories together.
Its lighthearted and definitely doesn't take itself seriously. I find the prose fun to read. I would have liked to ask Gary some questions. Like did you get the idea of encounters from this story? The two lead protagonists get into some discussion about the nature of the world they are travelling in. They observe that they are constantly going from one encounter to another but that this was the nature of Spenser's poem.
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Post by Otto Harkaman on Aug 4, 2012 17:51:17 GMT -6
I wonder if Gary got the idea for the various Bigby spells from the second story "The Mathematics of Magic"
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Post by Falconer on Aug 5, 2012 21:12:08 GMT -6
Definitely.
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