LouGoncey
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Post by LouGoncey on Nov 14, 2010 23:19:52 GMT -6
Asked anyone on these boards if they have any knowledge about The Free City Of Haven products ( or any other gamelords fantasy material)? Are they even OD&D supplement? Thanks in advance.
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zendog
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Post by zendog on Nov 15, 2010 9:02:18 GMT -6
I think they may have started as OD&D, but at some stage had their own generic system added in. Not sure haven't studdied them only skimmed. They look close to Judges Guild stuff in presentation and spirit, but more humanocentric with a real world medieval in feel.
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arcadayn
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Post by arcadayn on Nov 16, 2010 16:37:04 GMT -6
The Haven material is awesome. I own all of the city materials and a good portion of Thieves' Guild. Though it uses the Thieves' Guild system, there is very little system specific info in the Haven books. Instead, you get very detailed descriptions of shops and NPCs. Each shop has the following details: Owner, hours, exterior and interior physical description, price range, quality, where the cash box is stashed, occupants (including staff and possible customers), NPC encounter suggestions, and any special options. Politics and personalities of the different boroughs are also detailed.
I've never used the city as a whole, but I pulled many locations and personalities from it for my long running Rolemaster Hyborian campaign. I found it to be a great inspiration and an awesome tool for city encounters.
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Post by grodog on Nov 17, 2010 0:43:01 GMT -6
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jasons
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Post by jasons on Nov 17, 2010 7:33:55 GMT -6
I still have Thieves' Guild I and II in a three-ring binder (the bagged loose-leaf editions). I incorporated several of the rules tweaks into my D&D games at the time (the earliest 80's). What I remember most is the extensive equipment listings which fed right in to my dungeon-gear shopping fetish from those days. I immediately switched from the limited Holmes listing I had been using, momentarily pondering the differences in the monetary systems before shrugging my shoulders and using it unchanged. I always wanted Free City of Haven when I was a penniless adolescent and now, thanks to grodog's linkage, I'm probably going to get it, indulging that confounded brand of never-had-it-forgot-I-wanted-it-now-I-can-afford-it nostalgia.
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Post by grodog on Nov 18, 2010 14:15:25 GMT -6
Tell Tadashi I sent you, jasons  |
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Post by calithena on Nov 22, 2010 9:44:46 GMT -6
I am a big fan of this material. The primary sources are the Free City of Haven, Shadows of the Labyrinth, and then the Thieves' Guild series I-X which started it. Thieves Guild I contains the ruleset these supps are written for, they are usable with D&D pretty straightforwardly though. Recommended for sure.
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Post by grodog on Nov 23, 2010 10:33:26 GMT -6
We spoke with the Gamelords folks quite a bit a few years ago about finally producing the long-lost _Intrigue on the North Bank_ but that never managed to come together. Perhaps it's worth revisiting again....
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arcadayn
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Post by arcadayn on Nov 23, 2010 11:12:33 GMT -6
Holy crap Allan - that would be awesome!
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Post by calithena on Nov 23, 2010 12:36:08 GMT -6
That would be great. I thought I looked into that with you though, Allan - back in the halcyon days of the Necromancer Games message boards' heyday - and I think I remember Janet Trautvetter (a wonderful person to talk to BTW!) telling me that that material had been (and, maybe, still was) on old floppy disks on an ancient eighties type PC that no longer worked, or something like that. So this would be a job requiring someone with actual computer knowledge, as well as the likely cooperation of Janet, Richard Meyer, and other surviving Gamelords principals.
It would be fantastic, though, and I'd love to see it happen - but I recall the obstacles being pretty significant and possibly insurmountable. Still, anything I can do to help, just let me know!
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Post by grodog on Nov 28, 2010 0:05:26 GMT -6
That's right, Sean, and thanks for the reminder!: Janet had the files, and per Walter Hunt she still has the maps too (or a model of the maps or something like that). I'll be getting together with Tadashi again in ~2 weeks, so I'll bring it up then: he was always very interested in publishing it, but needed a real/viable proposal to be able to do something which, and that's where things stalled out (due to timing of their collective writing projects moreso than recovering the data---the assumption was that it was a lost cause, IIRC). I'll see if he's still interested, but I haven't really spoken to him or the other GL folks about it since August 2008, so it's definitely been awhile....
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Post by simrion on Dec 2, 2010 15:41:25 GMT -6
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Post by tacojohn4547 on Apr 12, 2018 0:19:24 GMT -6
What, if anything, ever came of this possible project? Was the data simply lost, never to be recovered?
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Post by grodog on Apr 13, 2018 19:46:59 GMT -6
What, if anything, ever came of this possible project? Was the data simply lost, never to be recovered? As far as I know, Janet still has the files, Jon. Allan. |
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leg1on
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Post by leg1on on May 19, 2018 22:47:54 GMT -6
What, if anything, ever came of this possible project? Was the data simply lost, never to be recovered? As far as I know, Janet still has the files, Jon. Allan. Funny. I also just thought to revisit this, again. I've been wanting Haven 3 for years. Assuming we can light a fire under someone's ass, whose ass should that be? And can I be put directly in contact with that person? Modern crowdfunding being what it is there's no reason for this to not happen. I'd like to see it published as close to the original format as possible. And I'd love to have as many of the original creators as possible involved. It seems to me this is only a matter of persistence (re: getting stuff off legacy media) and cash (re: publishing costs). L |
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Post by grodog on May 25, 2018 23:53:19 GMT -6
Well, if you start with Tadashi, that's probably a good place to start. He and I were (as far as I know) the last folks to speak with the surviving Gamelords folks about publishing an updated, complete edition of Haven. But that's been like 11-15 years or so I think....
Allan.
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leg1on
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Post by leg1on on May 26, 2018 16:13:14 GMT -6
Well, if you start with Tadashi, that's probably a good place to start. He and I were (as far as I know) the last folks to speak with the surviving Gamelords folks about publishing an updated, complete edition of Haven. But that's been like 11-15 years or so I think.... Allan. Thanks. I'll get on that. L |
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