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Post by fatdragontom on Mar 14, 2019 21:11:43 GMT -6
I love Delving Deeper as it is extremely faithful to the 3LBBs, but has anyone done something similar that is that close to the 3BBs, but also incorporates Greyhawk?
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Post by Finarvyn on Mar 15, 2019 4:09:01 GMT -6
You beat me to it. I was going to suggest Iron Falcon as well.
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Post by thegreyelf on Mar 15, 2019 5:30:13 GMT -6
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Post by fatdragontom on Mar 15, 2019 9:05:50 GMT -6
Thanks! How much does it differ from OD&D? |
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Post by robertsconley on Mar 15, 2019 13:20:30 GMT -6
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Post by tetramorph on Mar 15, 2019 13:30:25 GMT -6
Planet Eris is a house-rules version of what you want. Just google it. Very usable and not nearly as well known as it ought to be. It is austinjimm’s house rules. And I get to play in it sometimes! |
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Post by bigjackbrass on Mar 16, 2019 3:08:54 GMT -6
fatdragontom, what are you looking for in the game that you don't get from using the original game and Greyhawk supplement? Not trying to be argumentative, I'm presuming that something is missing from that option for you.
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Post by Finarvyn on Mar 16, 2019 3:36:32 GMT -6
fatdragontom, what are you looking for in the game that you don't get from using the original game and Greyhawk supplement? Not trying to be argumentative, I'm presuming that something is missing from that option for you. I'm guessing that he wants to run a LBB+GH game and wants his players to have easy access to rules without them all having to track down the originals. The disadvantage of a LBB+GH rules set is that it assumes that you want all of GH, but what if you only want certain parts and not others? My thought is that if you start with something simple, you can add in the parts you like. For example, start with WS&W:WB and add in the Thief and Paladin, that kind of thing. Doing it that way would allow a person to toss in the Druid from EW, for example, or Assassin from BM. OD&D has long been a "cherry pick what you like" rules set, IMO. Having said all that, I still like Iron Falcon as a good LBB+GH option. |
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Post by bigjackbrass on Mar 16, 2019 4:10:20 GMT -6
fatdragontom, what are you looking for in the game that you don't get from using the original game and Greyhawk supplement? Not trying to be argumentative, I'm presuming that something is missing from that option for you. I'm guessing that he wants to run a LBB+GH game and wants his players to have easy access to rules without them all having to track down the originals. They are still available as PDFs, however. |
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Post by fatdragontom on Mar 16, 2019 15:18:56 GMT -6
fatdragontom , what are you looking for in the game that you don't get from using the original game and Greyhawk supplement? Not trying to be argumentative, I'm presuming that something is missing from that option for you. Looking for everything combined into a single document for new players. |
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Post by peterlind on Mar 16, 2019 15:46:51 GMT -6
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Post by skars on Mar 17, 2019 9:54:44 GMT -6
With the exception of the house rules mentioned, I own and have read all the clones noted and would strongly suggest blueholme over the others but at the same time echo another poster and suggest you give the od&d+gh PDFs a shot first. Go to the source and it will help you develop an opinion on what you are after in an updated ruleset. Holmes edition feels like the first retroclone anyways having reorganized and updated od&d in order to make an intro basic set
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Post by Merias on Mar 17, 2019 19:23:07 GMT -6
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Post by thegreyelf on Apr 2, 2019 4:50:33 GMT -6
I actually disagree. I find Labyrinth Lord to be the most faithful of all the retroclones, both in play and tone. B/X is already about 99% compatible with OD&D as it sits; it just changes the race/class presentation, which OEC changes back. Labyrinth Lord with OEC, to my mind, is a good 99% compatible with OD&D. Aside from a more codified ability bonus section (it uses the B/X ability bonuses), it's pretty much 3LBB OD&D plus Greyhawk elements. In order for it not to qualify as a retroclone, you'd need to include elements that just don't exist in OD&D, like, say, a single save or increasing AC. As it sits, everyting in LL + OEC can be found in OD&D, and adjusting the missing elements is essentially as simple as changing all hit dice to d6 and all attacks to d6 damage, while allowing fighters an extra attack per level vs. 1HD or less monsters. |
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Post by Merias on Apr 2, 2019 12:29:49 GMT -6
We'll agree to disagree :). When I say it's not a faithful retro-clone, I mean it does not pick single snapshot of OD&D to emulate. Delving Deeper has the 3LBBs covered, Iron Falcon has that plus Greyhawk. Both try to closely emulate the rules from their respective targets. OEC does have an OD&D feel (I say as much in my review), that we agree on. But it does not do a good job of emulating a specific OD&D target, which was the point of my post (and review), pertinent here because the OP wanted something close to 3LBBs + Greyhawk.
Here are the points I made in the review, for discussion purposes:
From personal experience playing OEC, the lack of ability bonuses make a big difference given the monster multiple attacks and variable damage. I'll add that in addition to all that, OEC also does not limit armor to leather/chain/plate but includes the full suite of LL (really AD&D) armor types. Encumbrance is tracked in pounds rather than coins. The combat chart and rules are LL verbatim, as is the saving throw table. Unlike Greyhawk it has no thief class, no Paladin, and no multi-classing rules. Sure this can all be house-ruled, but at some point it's easier just to play Iron Falcon if you want a cleaned up presentation that is faithful to Greyhawk.
Note I'm not disparaging OEC, just saying it does not really make a good fit as far as a faithful LBB+Greyhawk clone. If you play it I think it's best to play it for what it is - Labyrinth Lord with an OD&D feel.
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