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Post by Malchor on Jan 24, 2019 6:32:40 GMT -6
We know The Great Kingdom was introduced to the C&C Society in Doomsday Book #9.
I, as I think other have, always thought The Great Kingdom was used with Chainmail rules — or at least the Jeff Perrin’s minis rules published in Domesday Book #5 that later became Chainmail.
Besides Arneson using his corner of The Great Kingdom for Blackmoor, is there any other indication of The Great Kingdom used with Chainmail or any other minis rules? If so, at what point? Was the original intent of The Great Kingdom to be used as a Diplomacy variant or board game style play?
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Post by increment on Jan 27, 2019 9:43:57 GMT -6
Besides Arneson using his corner of The Great Kingdom for Blackmoor, is there any other indication of The Great Kingdom used with Chainmail or any other minis rules? If so, at what point? Was the original intent of The Great Kingdom to be used as a Diplomacy variant or board game style play? The best statement of the original intention is the article in DB#9 about it. That suggests it is more like a combination of AH play and Diplomacy. That much said, there's another early Gygax source that describes a planned C&CS activity as "a map/miniatures game ([multi-commander/play-by-mail]) based on a hypothetical world, involving aspects of AH, Dippy, and miniatures." I think the general idea was that all of these things would be in play. From what few fragments survive about it, like the invasion of Faraz by Gygax's principality of Walworth (which is reflected in the Great Kingdom map), you might infer that the results of such battles are driving the "story" of the campaign. |
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Post by Malchor on Jan 27, 2019 10:57:24 GMT -6
That much said, there's another early Gygax source that describes a planned C&CS activity as "a map/miniatures game ([multi-commander/play-by-mail]) based on a hypothetical world, involving aspects of AH, Dippy, and miniatures." What source? Do you mean Gygax's "Entropy" game rules? From what few fragments survive about it, like the invasion of Faraz by Gygax's principality of Walworth (which is reflected in the Great Kingdom map), you might infer that the results of such battles are driving the "story" of the campaign. Where is the invasion of Faraz by the principality of Walworth discussed? |
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Post by increment on Jan 27, 2019 11:22:42 GMT -6
What source? Unless it is published and available to all researchers to examine, without open peer review, it does not exist. That must be a standard if we are to rely on documents. I believe I showed the original of this letter from Gygax to Phillies from February 1970 in the "12 Treasures" video, back around the 40th anniversary of D&D. If you're asking the board questions about sources you don't have, any answer is probably going to cite a source you don't have. The state of D&D historical scholarship at the moment is one where the lion's share of the documents that tell this story are not published and available to all researchers. You may feel that makes scholarship impossible, but I think in any scholarly endeavor you work with what you've got and try to push the ball forward; over the long term, it'll all shake out. |
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