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Post by werdegast on Aug 14, 2016 8:52:43 GMT -6
I have been fiddling with a foam core model of Castle Blackmoor based upon the First Fantasy Campaign floorplans and Burg Branzoll. Should the model have a roof like Burg Branzoll or more flat roof with parapets. From what I have read a Burg Branzoll model was the inspiration for Castle Blackmoor but I am leaning toward parapets myself. This is the first rough test model. (Disclosure - I started the same topic at the Comeback Inn Blackmoor forum.)
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Post by Fearghus on Aug 14, 2016 9:31:13 GMT -6
This is great. Well done. I am lazy and not artistic, but have wanted to do something similar for generic building creation. This is inspiring. Can't wait to see more pictures.
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Post by werdegast on Aug 14, 2016 20:55:28 GMT -6
Thanks for the support. I am going to use flat roofs with crenellated parapets. For this test model I am going to use Krylon Coarse Stone Textured Travertine Tan spray paint. www.krylon.com/products/coarse-stone-textured-finish/The kids go back to school on the 18th so I will have more time to work then.
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Post by Vile Traveller on Aug 14, 2016 22:54:10 GMT -6
You could always do a combination: a parapet walk with battlements and machiolations, and a pitched roof in the centre. I always like the idea of pitched roofs in fantasy castles, because it makes it harder for flying monsters to land. I remember a neat illustration from one of the old RuneQuest publications, where a village near the Vale of Flowers (a land with a large population of giants, both in size and in number) had sharpened treetrunks sticking out of their roofs to discourage giants from stepping on them.
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Post by Fearghus on Aug 15, 2016 8:54:18 GMT -6
Is the building modular? Will you be able to pull of the roof and have the inside as a map for mini's, or is the intent to use it as a terrain piece?
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Post by ritt on Aug 15, 2016 15:07:04 GMT -6
SWEET!
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Post by werdegast on Aug 15, 2016 21:06:42 GMT -6
The idea of combining the pitched roof with parapets and battlements is great. I do not know if I could make machiolations. This is my first attempt at a foam core model so I may add some to a future project.
I would love to have a modular model but this one will be more of a display or terrain item. I just started DMing again after several years (15 or 16) and have never been a big miniature person. My current players are my sons (5 and 9) and my wife when we can get her interested.
Thanks everyone for the kind words. I will post more pictures in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2016 20:34:10 GMT -6
Have you considered looking around on Ebay and other places to see if you can get a copy of the original?
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Post by werdegast on Aug 17, 2016 16:38:48 GMT -6
I have been watching ebay for some time. Amazon has one currently for $59.99 and free shipping. Since school is starting my discretionary budget is shot for the next couple of weeks.
Maybe my good wife will pick one up for our anniversary next month.
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Post by Fearghus on Aug 17, 2016 18:10:08 GMT -6
Did you find a foam tube? How did you make that center tower piece?
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Post by werdegast on Aug 17, 2016 20:03:10 GMT -6
I cut slits in a sheet every 0.25 inch to allow the sheet to bend. Then I glued it to foam core discs about 2.25 inches in diameter followed by covering the resulting column with cardstock.
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Post by werdegast on Aug 17, 2016 21:20:14 GMT -6
Here are a couple pictures of Sketchup Models.
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Post by xerxez on Aug 18, 2016 8:58:30 GMT -6
I cut slits in a sheet every 0.25 inch to allow the sheet to bend. Then I glued it to foam core discs about 2.25 inches in diameter followed by covering the resulting column with cardstock. I've done the same with sheetrock!Cool model! Want to see the updates!
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Post by jmccann on Aug 20, 2016 15:44:01 GMT -6
I have been working on castle models lately, building stone walls and turrets, so I am interested to see the progress of this project.
I also have not heard of Burg Branzoll before and it is an interesting castle. What have you read about this castle being the inspiration for Castle Blackmoor?
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Post by Morandir on Aug 22, 2016 17:48:09 GMT -6
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Post by werdegast on Aug 22, 2016 18:50:05 GMT -6
A couple of pictures. I did not accomplish much during the last few days.
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Post by xerxez on Sept 6, 2016 8:33:58 GMT -6
Looking good Werdegast! As far as not getting done fast, I find it takes me a couple of months at the very least to complete models. I have six current projects all at various stages...simply getting everything out and putting it up is a chore and rare is a day where I can veg on a model all day. I love it when I can but family/work/house are mutually competing priorities that preclude that!
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Post by werdegast on Sept 8, 2016 16:27:39 GMT -6
The paint test is not great.
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Post by werdegast on Sept 9, 2016 20:13:52 GMT -6
Great news!!!! Look what arrived in the mail today I will take detailed measurements and pictures of the parts before assembly.
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Post by jmccann on Sept 17, 2016 11:16:02 GMT -6
Any updates on either model? About the finish of the scratch built model, have you considered trying to put a thin skin onto your cardboard structures? I think you could build up a thin layer of Das clay (or similar material) and scribe lines after it dries to represent stone edges. Here is a kit which uses blocks to represent stones: www.aedesars.com/construction-kits/kits-castles/Burg-branzollThe blocks seem too large for this model but it would be very easy to vary the actual Branzoll like your crenellation variant. It is a little pricey though, $138.53 on Amazon right now.
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Post by havard on Sept 26, 2016 13:11:55 GMT -6
Congratulations! I always wanted to get this set. But yeah, kind of pricey I guess -Havard
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Post by Vile Traveller on Sept 26, 2016 23:25:20 GMT -6
About the finish of the scratch built model, have you considered trying to put a thin skin onto your cardboard structures? One trick is to use bits of card or paper cut to size and stuck on to represent stones. This used to be the way panels were shown on science fiction SFX models. Another one is to go for the rendered look, and have parts where the render is flaking off to expose the stone below (less work).
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Post by aldarron on Oct 8, 2016 12:24:02 GMT -6
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Post by werdegast on Oct 12, 2016 17:27:19 GMT -6
I have been unable to work on the models lately. The Aedes Ars kit was what really started my modelling attempt. The company kindly emailed the assembly instructions after I asked about the kit. A copy of the Kibri kit is about to close on ebay in a few hours www.ebay.com/itm/N-Scale-Building-Kit-Kibri-No-7044-CASTLE-BRANZOLL-New-in-Box-NIB/391584921433Using some type of skin layer had not occurred to me. Vile: I had not thought of that either. One experiment I have tried to using textures from spiralgraphics.biz/genetica.htm to create cardstock overlays for the model. Maybe in the future I can create a cardstock model. Aldarron: Thanks for the link. A replacement tripod part should arrive before long so I can photograph the Kibri model parts. I was able finish my reprint of "The Necromican" and will post some pictures if that sort of thing is allowed. Any updates on either model? About the finish of the scratch built model, have you considered trying to put a thin skin onto your cardboard structures? I think you could build up a thin layer of Das clay (or similar material) and scribe lines after it dries to represent stone edges. Here is a kit which uses blocks to represent stones: www.aedesars.com/construction-kits/kits-castles/Burg-branzollThe blocks seem too large for this model but it would be very easy to vary the actual Branzoll like your crenellation variant. It is a little pricey though, $138.53 on Amazon right now.
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Post by werdegast on Oct 13, 2016 7:21:16 GMT -6
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Post by jmccann on Oct 13, 2016 12:15:03 GMT -6
Nice pictures, very thought provoking. I had not given any thought to modelling the hill. I like this model but I want to build some easy, straightforward castle pieces first to solve the basic modelling problem. The complexity of this model is pretty high. Linka has a modular castle system, I am thinking of making something similar. I have been using scuptamold to make the walls, but I want to experiment with some cardstock/ featherboard/ (styrofoam?) now with some kind of surface treatment.
I like the cardstock masonry idea. Using different thicknesses of paper you could get some slight variation in height, and a thin layer of Das clay or something similar here and there could add more interest. Also you could "plaster" the wall in places, leaving some off in places to show damage.
I am interested to see how your image processed printouts work - I have seen great model railroad building models using a similar approach. Cardstock models can be very effective.
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Post by settembrini on Dec 15, 2018 1:13:57 GMT -6
As far as I can see, the original(?) Kibri kit is still being produced and sold at rather low prices in Europe.
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Post by Finarvyn on Dec 15, 2018 5:29:10 GMT -6
As far as I can see, the original(?) Kibri kit is still being produced and sold at rather low prices in Europe. Any links one can use to see the product for sale?
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Post by Vile Traveller on Dec 15, 2018 7:18:24 GMT -6
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Post by settembrini on Dec 15, 2018 13:56:22 GMT -6
Thanks, that is the one. I'd have to pay €35 and no shipping. Should you visit Europe, you might pick it up for a song. There's also a lot of them available in used condition for around €20.
To me, it would be entirely distracting that it has Austrian colours. That is a stark statement, keeping in mind the South Tyrolian conflict with Italy. Due to that, I have given it a pass so far. But maybe that angle can be transposed into some awesome campaign conflict.
Wasn`t castle Braunstein some (railway?) model castle, too?
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