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Post by robertsconley on Apr 4, 2016 6:38:23 GMT -6
Heads up for those who backed the Judges Guild City State kickstarter. I uploaded the first draft of the CSIO map. I am asking people to proof it and upload their comments to a shared Google Drive folder (note you can do the uploading and downloading over the web). It took a better part of a year working in my spare time to complete this. Bob Senior packed a lot of detail into the map. The differences from the original are. 1) It is in color! 2) I added footpath and other detail made possible by having a color map. 3) Kept to the original otherwise. 4) Because of the scale and shape (24" by 36") I added some details to the north edge of the map. I took it from the five mile hex from the back of Wilderlands of High Fantasy. This led to the discovery of some minor details that could be added to the original the most important of which are some streams that run into the Conqueror's River. 5) Unlike when I proofed the Necromancer version, I had access to the No-Name City Blueprint during this. So I was able to resolve some confusing details from the original particularly in where various doors goes. No-name is not 100% the same there some obvious changes on the 1977 version over the No-name print. For those of you without access to the kickstarter I attached two preview images. One within the City and one outside showing the detail at full scale. Enjoy! Attachments:
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Post by scottenkainen on Apr 4, 2016 12:22:39 GMT -6
Despite my abhorrence towards all things Kickstarter, that's a real pretty map!
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Post by zardokhasspoken on Apr 5, 2016 7:11:42 GMT -6
Awesome maps Rob! I got the full preview version and noticed a few missing doors to areas that without them have no access. Also, it seemed to me some of the internal passages should be open-air courtyards. I colored them in with a lighter shade of tan. It makes some of the areas only accessible by passing through main buildings, kind of like the beer gardens and snickelways found in York. I was not able to circle them in red like asked, but I do have a saved version I could send if that would be helpful. Keep up the great work!
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Post by robertsconley on Apr 5, 2016 7:46:51 GMT -6
Awesome maps Rob! I got the full preview version and noticed a few missing doors to areas that without them have no access. Also, it seemed to me some of the internal passages should be open-air courtyards. I colored them in with a lighter shade of tan. It makes some of the areas only accessible by passing through main buildings, kind of like the beer gardens and snickelways found in York. I was not able to circle them in red like asked, but I do have a saved version I could send if that would be helpful. Keep up the great work! Thanks anything helps. You should be able to upload them to drive folder. Just rename the image file to something else. I will talk to the Bledsaw about your idea. I know my version of City-State, when I redrew the map, has more alley ways to break up some of the larger blocks. |
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Post by Finarvyn on Apr 5, 2016 8:29:25 GMT -6
These look like amazing maps. Back in the day I took colored pencils to my CSIO map to distinguish taverns from temples and the like. This map is a lot cooler.  |
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Post by scottenkainen on Apr 5, 2016 8:37:44 GMT -6
These look like amazing maps. Back in the day I took colored pencils to my CSIO map to distinguish taverns from temples and the like. This map is a lot cooler. That's actually a great idea. I've only tried using the City State map a few times, and it's always so confusing finding anything on it. I think I too would try color coding the buildings if I ever ran a game there again. |
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Post by robertsconley on Apr 5, 2016 9:12:33 GMT -6
These look like amazing maps. Back in the day I took colored pencils to my CSIO map to distinguish taverns from temples and the like. This map is a lot cooler. That's actually a great idea. I've only tried using the City State map a few times, and it's always so confusing finding anything on it. I think I too would try color coding the buildings if I ever ran a game there again. Mmmmmm, just when I think my job is done.  I have to think about the right way of doing this because it makes a lot of sense. It could be as simple as colored building floors and certainly that can be a PDF option. But I picked white floor for clean crisp look that is important because of the four point font used in some places. So I need to mull this over for what will work for the printed map. So what categories would it be useful to distinguish? We got Temples and Taverns so far. |
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Post by scottenkainen on Apr 5, 2016 10:02:10 GMT -6
So what categories would it be useful to distinguish? We got Temples and Taverns so far. Actually, would it help to color code by Alignment? It might be more helpful to know where all the chaotic places are the PCs can look for trouble, and the lawful place they can go to for aid, at a glance. And if there was a small symbol that designated a building as being a dungeon entrance... |
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Post by ffilz on Apr 5, 2016 11:22:31 GMT -6
These look like amazing maps. Back in the day I took colored pencils to my CSIO map to distinguish taverns from temples and the like. This map is a lot cooler. Me too... I also used whiteout to "edit" the map in several places. Unfortunately I don't have my original Wilderlands maps, I sold off all my Wilderlands stuff, and then re-purchased it, so the modified map I have is my 2nd round of modifying. The original I "edited" actually my gently scraping the paper to remove the ink... I'll post pictures of my colored maps shortly... Frank |
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Post by ffilz on Apr 5, 2016 11:30:38 GMT -6
These look like amazing maps. Back in the day I took colored pencils to my CSIO map to distinguish taverns from temples and the like. This map is a lot cooler. Me too... I also used whiteout to "edit" the map in several places. Unfortunately I don't have my original Wilderlands maps, I sold off all my Wilderlands stuff, and then re-purchased it, so the modified map I have is my 2nd round of modifying. The original I "edited" actually my gently scraping the paper to remove the ink... I'll post pictures of my colored maps shortly... Frank And done. I posted over on Google+ for ease of uploading images: plus.google.com/103968574990660180814/posts/8nXy34PLdbjFrank |
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Post by ffilz on Apr 5, 2016 11:40:10 GMT -6
That's actually a great idea. I've only tried using the City State map a few times, and it's always so confusing finding anything on it. I think I too would try color coding the buildings if I ever ran a game there again. Mmmmmm, just when I think my job is done. I have to think about the right way of doing this because it makes a lot of sense. It could be as simple as colored building floors and certainly that can be a PDF option. But I picked white floor for clean crisp look that is important because of the four point font used in some places. So I need to mull this over for what will work for the printed map. So what categories would it be useful to distinguish? We got Temples and Taverns so far. Hmm, looking at my map: Temples, Guilds, Schools: Blue Taverns, Saloons, places to get food: Pink Inns and places to stay; Orange Courts, Barracks, other government: Dark Green Individuals (Captains, Engineers and such): Red Gaming Houses, Baths, Brothels, Gambling Dens, etc.: Light Green Other businesses: Yellow Looks like I didn't finish color coding outside the walls... Frank |
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Post by Morandir on Apr 5, 2016 19:27:39 GMT -6
Amazing stuff!
Will there be a way to order this in the future, after the Kickstarter orders have been filled? I'd pay good money just for this map...
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Post by zardokhasspoken on Apr 13, 2016 16:45:59 GMT -6
I believe it will be available at drivethrurpg.com as a pdf download. Just guessing though.
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Post by geoffrey on Apr 13, 2016 19:15:53 GMT -6
Is "Temple of Oden" a typo? Should it be "Temple of Odin", or is "Oden" correct? |
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Post by ffilz on Apr 13, 2016 21:53:00 GMT -6
Is "Temple of Oden" a typo? Should it be "Temple of Odin", or is "Oden" correct? On my original map it's Temple of Oden. Frank |
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Post by robertsconley on Apr 14, 2016 7:31:13 GMT -6
Is "Temple of Oden" a typo? Should it be "Temple of Odin", or is "Oden" correct? On my original map it's Temple of Oden. Frank I am thinking that I need to compare that to the guidebook to see if there is an inconsistency there. |
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Post by ffilz on Apr 14, 2016 9:58:00 GMT -6
On my original map it's Temple of Oden. Frank I am thinking that I need to compare that to the guidebook to see if there is an inconsistency there. Revised guidebook has Oden... D20 version has Odin... |
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Post by zardokhasspoken on Nov 10, 2017 17:16:23 GMT -6
Hey Rob, is it my understanding you were commissioned to do the Wilderness maps as well? If so, is there any hope of seeing the final 8 maps completed? I would be willing to throw some money at the project to see the poetic maps finished, perhaps there would be enough support among the original backers to see this through. Not sure how that could be arranged, though. Any insight?
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Post by Falconer on Nov 13, 2017 13:04:29 GMT -6
Robert, do you also compare with the original “Middle-earth city” map?
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Post by robertsconley on Nov 15, 2017 13:15:35 GMT -6
Hey Rob, is it my understanding you were commissioned to do the Wilderness maps as well? If so, is there any hope of seeing the final 8 maps completed? I would be willing to throw some money at the project to see the poetic maps finished, perhaps there would be enough support among the original backers to see this through. Not sure how that could be arranged, though. Any insight? The poetic maps were done by another artist. As for my side of the map, the cartographic version, I turned them in a year ago. Also note that opted to draw the thing as a single 5' by 8.5' map. I then clipped out 22" by 17" sections, put a border around it with some text for the individual maps. |
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Post by robertsconley on Nov 15, 2017 13:20:21 GMT -6
Robert, do you also compare with the original “Middle-earth city” map? Are you talking about the photocopy of the original blueprint? If so I used that as a reference to resolve some issues with the original (mainly door placement). |
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Post by Falconer on Nov 15, 2017 15:09:38 GMT -6
Yes.
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Post by robertsconley on Nov 16, 2017 9:33:15 GMT -6
Cool. Again I used it to proof the published version especially to double check door locations and some of the fine detail. |
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Post by korvin0starmast on Nov 17, 2017 16:57:23 GMT -6
Heads up for those who backed the Judges Guild City State kickstarter. I uploaded the first draft of the CSIO map. I am asking people to proof it and upload their comments to a shared Google Drive folder (note you can do the uploading and downloading over the web). It took a better part of a year working in my spare time to complete this. Bob Senior packed a lot of detail into the map. The differences from the original are. 1) It is in color! Rob, I am so sorry I didn't see this thread. I've still got my original City State map in a box (it got used a lot) and I wish I'd gotten in on the kickstarter. Anyway, great job! CSIO in color? Too cool! |
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Post by zardokhasspoken on Nov 18, 2017 15:45:51 GMT -6
Hey Rob, any chance your completed maps (especially the 5' x 8.5' map, and CSIO) could be made available to the backers? The chances the rest of this KS will be completed is looking more and more grim. Thanks!
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Post by robertsconley on Nov 20, 2017 10:30:30 GMT -6
Hey Rob, any chance your completed maps (especially the 5' x 8.5' map, and CSIO) could be made available to the backers? The chances the rest of this KS will be completed is looking more and more grim. Thanks! I would need permission from Robert Bledsaw Junior. I would like to see my maps out in the hands of the backers and public myself. |
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I have to think about the right way of doing this because it makes a lot of sense. 
