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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 0:56:26 GMT -6
One weekend, two new trailers for the sequel movies.
Well, gents, in short, what did you think?
I appreciate the E7 trailer, but the (leaked) trailer to "Star Wars Anthologies: Roge One" had me way more excited!
A supposedly rather gritty "soldier movie" set in the SW universe, that might just be something.
- R
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Post by Falconer on Apr 20, 2015 11:50:19 GMT -6
To me, it’s just like the Star Trek movies. I’ll give it a watch; it will probably be solid entertainment; I won’t hate it; but it won’t be MY Star Wars. I’ve come to terms with the fact that every franchise needs new releases just to keep the brand alive, even if the only point is to remind you that you love the originals.
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Post by geoffrey on Apr 20, 2015 17:16:33 GMT -6
I’ll give it a watch; it will probably be solid entertainment; I won’t hate it; but it won’t be MY Star Wars. I’ve come to terms with the fact that every franchise needs new releases just to keep the brand alive, even if the only point is to remind you that you love the originals. Exactly so.
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Post by Finarvyn on Apr 21, 2015 14:57:16 GMT -6
I can't wait. The new trailer was so cool -- crashed Star Destroyer, ruined Vader helmet, "Chewie, we're home", the whole thing jumped out at me a lot more than the first trailer.
Whether it will be "my" Star Wars or not, well ... "my" Star Wars was mostly just the original one. Empire Strikes Back was good but really changed the whole SW universe for me.
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Post by scottenkainen on Apr 21, 2015 16:26:57 GMT -6
They also had me at "Chewie, we're home." Conversely, this Rogue One movie isn't even on my radar.
~Scott "-enkainen" Casper
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Post by geoffrey on Apr 21, 2015 19:06:39 GMT -6
"my" Star Wars was mostly just the original one. Empire Strikes Back was good but really changed the whole SW universe for me. I'm the same way. The only thing from ESB that creeps into my Star Wars is Boba Fett, probably because I had his action figure in 1979 before ESB came out a year later. Oh, and a cartoon Boba Fett was in the Star Wars Holiday Special (which aired on Nov. 17, 1978). We thus had Boba Fett invade our Star Wars consciousness a full year and a half before ESB was released.
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Post by Finarvyn on Apr 22, 2015 4:32:55 GMT -6
The thing for me was that, as one of those old-timers who lived through all six movies in real-time, we had three years to absorb the feel and details of the original STAR WARS movie before Empire came out. My friends and I did a lot of role playing with a homebrew "Star Wars OD&D" rules set and ran around the back yard whacking each other with light sabres during those three years. Then, when "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" came out, it only added to our canon. We built up a lot of "this is what Star Wars is all about" before the second movie came out and changed things.
So ... Vader isn't the ultimate bad guy, Leia is a princess but that's not all that special, Emperor Palpatine isn't just some puppet being manipulated, the Death Star wasn't a one-time thing, a Star Destroyer isn't the biggest bully on the block, Luke's ancestry is more complex than anticipated, and so on.
These are all cool ideas, but they didn't fit my concept of Star Wars. I think im my mind there will always be a couple of "different flavors" of Star Wars, much the way there are two different Battlestar Galactica shows that are not the same thing but happen to share the same name.
I have high hopes for Abrams' Star Wars. I'm not sure what I'll get, but I'm looking forward to it. ;D
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Post by Falconer on Apr 22, 2015 9:11:28 GMT -6
I’m preparing a Star Wars campaign, and I worry that my swashbuckling, planet-of-the-week/villain-of-the-week style will be jarring to players who perhaps expect a higher level of attention to canon than I care for. That said, there is probably only one guy in the group who will care.
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Post by geoffrey on Apr 22, 2015 15:55:34 GMT -6
The thing for me was that, as one of those old-timers who lived through all six movies in real-time, we had three years to absorb the feel and details of the original STAR WARS movie before Empire came out. Me, too. I turned 7 on June 5, 1977, and I saw Star Wars for the first time later that month. It BLEW-AWAY AND DOMINATED my imagination for the next 3 years. I thought about Star Wars every day. I often played Star Wars, whether with figures or with my friends. ("I'm Luke!" "I'm Han!") Then, about a month before ESB was released in theatres, I bought the pocket-book-sized Marvel comic adaptation of ESB pictured below. It just didn't seem "right" to me. My own imagination had supplied Star Wars with both sequels and prequels, and George Lucas just didn't get it.
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Post by kesher on Apr 23, 2015 7:28:01 GMT -6
I haven't seen any discussion anywhere of the fact that, in the trailer, when Luke is narrating about the Force being strong in his family, while holding Vader's helmet he says "My father HAS it", not HAD it...
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Post by Falconer on Apr 23, 2015 10:44:35 GMT -6
I’m pretty sure Luke’s voiceover is from RotJ.
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Post by kesher on Apr 23, 2015 11:03:39 GMT -6
I’m pretty sure Luke’s voiceover is from RotJ. Right--I agree they're deliberately referencing it, but it's not a straight quote. They chopped off the front part, and added more at the end. It could just be referring to the fact that, at the end of RotJ, we see "Anakin Redeemed" with the Force Ghosts of Obi Wan and Yoda, but I still thought it was interesting...
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Post by Falconer on Apr 23, 2015 13:17:08 GMT -6
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Post by kesher on Apr 23, 2015 14:06:38 GMT -6
Awesome--thanks for posting that!
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 14:36:09 GMT -6
A few new tidbits about the movie are released via Vanity Fair: www.starwars7news.com/2015/05/may-the-fourth-be-with-you-news-is-inbound.html Spoilers galore, of course. Personally, I am quite pleased with the direction this *soft reboot* seems to take, even if I, too, realize that this won't be *my* Star Wars, any more, as well. (Let's put it like this - as long as new X-Wing novels keep getting made, I will buy a movie ticket, every dozen of years.)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 10, 2015 1:56:00 GMT -6
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Post by Finarvyn on Jun 10, 2015 5:37:39 GMT -6
I have mixed feelings about this. On one hand, Alan Dean Foster did write the novelized version of the original Star Wars as well as Splinter of the Mind's Eye, both classics. On the other hand, I find that from a pure writing standpoint I enjoy Timothy Zahn's SW books a lot more than those of any other author and would have liked to have him chosen over Foster.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 1:52:58 GMT -6
Yeah, me too. I am going to be honest - the movie so far has not made the very best impression on me. But I think the producers are trying to pay attention to detail. It's the dreadful *Lucas Arts Story Group* that is giving me the creeps - a few of those despicable *career fans*, plus Simon Kinberg, who by no means is a bad writer, but just not the best SW writer ever, judging from the little I saw of "The Clone Wars". Zahn doesn't get to write much SW any more, mainly because he is way better than the entire pack of 30-somethings that now are the creative team at LA. Like, seriously, I've had the luck to get some insight on how the man operates, and he's probably the single most talented writer in any pulp genre since Andrew Offutt and Robert Asprin - as in, he chooses fantasy/sci-fi because he likes to, but his stories could probably also go in the "Paris Review".
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Post by Falconer on Jun 11, 2015 7:24:47 GMT -6
Is it wrong that I never wanted to read Heir to the Empire until it now when it is old and de-canonized?
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Post by Finarvyn on Jun 11, 2015 18:27:28 GMT -6
Is it wrong that I never wanted to read Heir to the Empire until it now when it is old and de-canonized? Not wrong, but certainly ironic. The thing for me is that Star Wars was one of my all-time favorite scifi storylines in the 1970's and 1980's, but somewhere along the line I lost my way and it pretty much had died for me. Heir to the Empire brough Star Wars back on my radar. Not only did I enjoy the book, but I actually started counting down until the second one, and then again for the third one. Of course, this was before they were cranking out the "Star Wars of the month" books and so the Zahn trilogy was special. The basic idea (avoiding spoilers) is that we're five years after the death of the Emperor. The New Republic owns around 2/3 of the territory previously held by the Empire but the folks in charge aren't really that good at knowing how to run a government. The Empire still exists, although it has shrunk to around 1/3 of its previous size, and it still has stormtroopers and Star Destroyers and that stuff. The folks running the Empire are now the underdogs but believe that they can restore their power to its previous levels. It also helps that WEG put out a sourcebook for their d6 Star Wars RPG based on the Zahn books. I think that the Zahn trilogy is a lot better than pretty much any other Star Wars books I've read, and his other books are pretty well done, too. If you get a chance, take a gamble and read the trilogy.
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Post by Falconer on Jun 11, 2015 19:32:30 GMT -6
I have been looking through the various WEG/1E books, and the Heir to the Empire Sourcebook (one of the last ones for 1E) definitely seems to be one of the more useful ones. Not that I need an lot of accumulation of source material in my SWU, but, it’s nice to have a decent catalog of vehicles and starships.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 4:27:58 GMT -6
I greatly recommend you guys both the SECOND Thrawn books ("The Hand of Thrawn"), and, most importantly, "Outbound Flight", which details C'Baoth's backstory, and acts as a general prologue to Zahn's take on SW. Zahn surely has his own approach to the universe, but he sells it, and, frankly, in difference to especially most of the later authors of the franchise, he has a gift for what he does.
Personally, I liked "Outbound Flight" the most - the prequels are crap, let's face it. And he takes that crap, those bland and boring characters, and manages to tell a compelling story nonetheless. Perhaps the single best SW book out there, except for "Starfighters of Adumar".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 4, 2015 2:17:28 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2015 15:44:15 GMT -6
New poster for the movie is out: www.starwarsnewsnet.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/tfa_poster_wide_header_adb92fa0.jpeg(Caution, BIG image.) Looks nice enough, though the prospect of a third Death Star, and the absence of Luke for most of the movie (as hinted at by various sources, and hinted at again by his absence from the poster) are not particularly engaging. Personally, I'm looking more forward to the "Rogue One" movie than I'm waiting for "E7". I've always been an "X-Wing"-series guy, so that one is closer to my own perspective on SW.
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Post by ritt on Oct 19, 2015 18:35:59 GMT -6
I wish this was coming out in the Summer so I could see it at the drive-in, just like I did the first movie in '79.
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Post by ritt on Oct 19, 2015 22:34:02 GMT -6
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 5:00:07 GMT -6
Ah, didn't like that second one; the conceptual ideas behind SW7 are slowly being revealed, and nothing I've seen so far particularly caught my fancy.
This is not about general curmudgeonism or broad negativism - but just how easy would it have been to make a movie closer to the post-Zahn EU?
This SW sequel features no Solo children, for all we know, so far, no Jedi post-RotJ, and has Luke having become a hermit.
I guess that's... Alright. I guess I know now how Trekkies felt, back when JJA butchered their holy cows.
The visuals are stunning, of course, and it's nice to see the old characters again. But I don't feel at home in what has been revealed about the, uuuh, remake.
I have to confess I'm already a bit biased because I tried some of the new novels and comics that were released with much ballyhoo earlier this year: They are clearly inferior to the prior material. Perhaps not "worse", but definitely "less sophisticated". Might be that the Golden Age of the "Shared World" novel generally is over, but in these cases, with titles like "Lost Stars", and "Aftermath", it's also obvious that the customership the sellers are trying to impress is a younger target audience than for titles like even "Fate of the Jedi". I think the new movies are pacemakers for that trend, and I dislike that; the old "Legends" books were at least solid campy grown-up entertainment. The new stuff, so far almost exclusively "young adult" novels, and written badly.
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Post by Finarvyn on Oct 20, 2015 11:12:06 GMT -6
I'll admit that I liked the first trailer better than the second one. Still pumped up about the new movie.
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Post by scottenkainen on Oct 21, 2015 7:45:12 GMT -6
The second trailer was so moving, it had me all misty-eyed.
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Post by funkaoshi on Oct 21, 2015 18:11:36 GMT -6
I am pretty excited for these new films. The three trailers all seem so perfectly engineered. The music from the original films seems to show up just at the right time. Can't wait.
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