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Post by Porphyre on Jan 17, 2015 4:38:42 GMT -6
I think they portrayed the dwarves well enough I hated the Scottish accents and lack of long beards. I quite liked the unique personalities of the dwarves. As far as stupid accents go, I gave my dwarfs a russian accent and clothing, as the russian boyars:
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Post by randyb on Jan 17, 2015 8:10:44 GMT -6
Accents aside, I got that Russian Boyar kind of vibe from the dwarves myself.
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Post by xerxez on Jan 17, 2015 22:20:15 GMT -6
Just hope there are no tv series in the works....
"Dale: After the Dragon", chronicling Bard the Bowman and his family!
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Post by tkdco2 on Jan 18, 2015 4:21:47 GMT -6
Just hope there are no tv series in the works.... "Dale: After the Dragon", chronicling Bard the Bowman and his family! The Bifur, Bofur, & Bombur Comedy Hour!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 8:41:43 GMT -6
Just hope there are no tv series in the works.... "Dale: After the Dragon", chronicling Bard the Bowman and his family! Anyone willing to make a bet on this? They're really trying to amplify the NLC/Middleearth universe with that last one. The last few video games already went in a direction that is very reminscent of how late MERP treated Tolkien's world. I fully expect this to get milked to the point of absurdity; the question for me just is, will the products go full gonzo, or will there at least be a modicum of decency left? For example, one of the Telltale movie franchise games, in the vein of "The Wolf Among Us", or the recent "Game of Thrones" - why not?
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Post by tkdco2 on Jan 18, 2015 21:18:42 GMT -6
And just for the record, the complaints here are pretty tame. There are others which were much more intense in other boards.
Edit: Apologies to everyone else on the thread. I don't usually get this belligerent on the boards, but I think I had to get my point across.
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Post by Finarvyn on Jan 19, 2015 6:30:05 GMT -6
[ADMIN VOICE]
I just nuked roughly a dozen posts in this thread for simply arguing. I noticed by the end of the whole thing that both sides seemed to be patching things up, but I really have no desire to fill up these boards with petty "did too" or "you're another" type stuff.
"This is supposed to be a happy occasion. Let's not bicker and argue about who killed who." (Monty Python & the Holy Grail)
Play nice.
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Post by tkdco2 on Jan 19, 2015 15:52:45 GMT -6
I apologize for my role in that. I'll extend the olive branch.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 2:30:22 GMT -6
Just be nice to each other, everybody; I have personally suggested to Fin that any future offender receives a PERMABAN... One that shall only be lifted if that user submits a handwritten piece of Kili/Tauriel fanfiction of a 1.000 words, or more.
The weird thing is, part of you now probably think "Rafe surely must be joking".
Don't try and find out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2015 3:30:45 GMT -6
First of all, let me just say that I hope this isn't being seen as provocative or anything. I'm just posting this because I have heard several people say they would love to see a version of the PJ's The Hobbit with some of the extra parts removed. So, check it out! The link includes both the film and the parts that were edited out or altered. And if this seems like a shot across anyone's bow? Let me assure you, I mean no harm. Peace fellow gamers. tolkieneditor.wordpress.comThe real issue here is the legality of such a cut - especially, if the 3rd part is included already. That said, fan cuts are, in general, a great thing. Many years back, I watched a recut of "Twin Peaks", called "The Northwest Passage"; that one was pretty sweet, for example. (Or, the many attempts to improve the Star Wars PT; those definitely made the world a better place.) On a note concerning the future of the Tolkien brand - it seems that we're in for a slightly more mature project next, as "Tolkien and the Great War", one of the better biographical books about the big T, has been optioned as a TV series. Now, "optioned" is a small word in the movie industry, but it's a beginning.
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Post by Porphyre on Jan 20, 2015 7:06:17 GMT -6
What I would have liked to see about The Hobbit , actually, would be a new animation movie.
The Rankin-Bass version has its charm, but the modern techniques and computer generated imagery offers possibilities that -in my opinion - are better employed on animation than live action movies.
In live-action movies, too much CGI and over-the-top sceneries feel artificial when too heavily handed and break the willing suspension of disbelief; like some digitalised version of the Monthy Pythons "it's only a model". In animation, not so much.
Now the question is, which studios could have realised a new version of The Hobbit?
Tolkien loathed Disney studios, so it probably wouldn't be a good idea. Dreamworks would probably be guilty of the same errors.
If you could pass the anime -stymle of animation, studio Gibhli could probably have done great thing when Hayao Miyazaki was still holding the reins (the gorgeous sceneries for instance, and I feel that the ecological and non-violent undertones of HM movies fit well with Tolkien's worldview ) , but I was pretty disappointed with the Earthsea movie made by his son.
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Post by Stormcrow on Jan 20, 2015 8:16:06 GMT -6
If you could pass the anime -stymle of animation NOOOOOOOOO! No! Nononononono!!! Uh-uh! Nope! No way!
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Post by tetramorph on Jan 20, 2015 16:29:35 GMT -6
If you could pass the anime -stymle of animation NOOOOOOOOO! No! Nononononono!!! Uh-uh! Nope! No way! I don't much go for anime, especially manga or just comics in general. But studio Gibhli is beyond all that. It is art. I feel amazed every time I watch Totoro with my kids. So beautiful and thoughtful. I like your suggestions, Prophyre. I think they could do it well. Now the next question is: who to do the Silmarillion? And I know: I can't remember their names but, for me, it would be the folks who did The Secret of Kells (another stunningly beautiful animation).
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Post by cooper on Jan 20, 2015 16:44:28 GMT -6
but I was pretty disappointed with the Earthsea movie made by his son. I couldn't watch more than 10 minutes of it. I think you're spot on about how studio Gibli could capture the "non-violence" of a lot of the book, as opposed to hyping the combat that the director best known for his splatter films did. I don't, personally, like anime, but I was hoping that earthsea were good. The visuals are great, granted. It was fascinating what they tried to do, which was take the plot from all four books and make them a single story, but it would have been much better just to do the first film as the first book. Also, the son is apparantly a talentless hack. Tolkien's middle earth is finished as far as movies go. It's done. There won't be remakes, there won't be any more movies. (although, with games like "shadow of mordor", who knows, if the rights for movies is the same as for things like video games). Here's to hoping someone really sensitive gets a hold of UkLG's earthsea and makes a great movie, not about wizards and dragons, but about people who happen to be wizards and dragons.
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Post by cooper on Jan 20, 2015 19:39:32 GMT -6
i wasn't offended. Peter Jackson is well known for directing "frighteners" and a few other splatter films.
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Post by Falconer on Jan 20, 2015 21:11:39 GMT -6
Tolkien's middle earth is finished as far as movies go. It's done. There won't be remakes, there won't be any more movies. Oh, I don’t know. Everything gets remade, eventually.
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Post by geoffrey on Jan 20, 2015 23:34:51 GMT -6
If anyone could have done a good movie of The Hobbit, it would have been Ray Harryhausen. Stop-motion trolls. Stop-motion wargs. Stop-motion giant eagles. Stop-motion giant spiders. Stop-motion Smaug.
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Post by Porphyre on Jan 21, 2015 12:48:25 GMT -6
Now the next question is: who to do the Silmarillion? And I know: I can't remember their names but, for me, it would be the folks who did The Secret of Kells (another stunningly beautiful animation). The Children of Hurin could be a great live action movie, but only if the filmmakers can resist the urges of modern productions ( "More action! Could you add some angst to the main character, and make him a more reluctant hero? According to our polls that make s him easier to relate to. And could you spice it with some additional sex scenes? And more action. Why stop to one dragon? Turin should slaughted a dozen dozens orcs before confonting the main villain! Maybe he could wrestle Sauron himself to free beleg? " Etc.) For the rest of the Silmarillion, an animation in series format. With different folks and different styles for each episode.
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Post by tetramorph on Jan 21, 2015 13:38:55 GMT -6
Porphyre, yes, that is my thinking too. If I were in charge (ha!) I would do it as a series of at least 5 "mini" series: i. The Fall of the Noldor ii. The Wars of Beleriand III. The Song of Beren and Luthien IV. The Childern of Hurin V. The Fall of Gondolin and the End of the Age Anything "pre-" the arrival of the Children of Illuvatar would be woven in through highly stylized back-flashes at appropriate places within the narrative: perhaps with an elf singing the song leading us into it, etc. And I love your point about different folks helping. I would want consistency across episodes within a given story-cycle. But each of my 5 groupings I would want to see with the same creators / actors, etc.
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Post by tkdco2 on Jan 21, 2015 15:10:44 GMT -6
Now the next question is: who to do the Silmarillion? And I know: I can't remember their names but, for me, it would be the folks who did The Secret of Kells (another stunningly beautiful animation). The Children of Hurin could be a great live action movie, but only if the filmmakers can resist the urges of modern productions ( "More action! Could you add some angst to the main character, and make him a more reluctant hero? According to our polls that make s him easier to relate to. And could you spice it with some additional sex scenes? And more action. Why stop to one dragon? Turin should slaughted a dozen dozens orcs before confonting the main villain! Maybe he could wrestle Sauron himself to free beleg? " Etc.) For the rest of the Silmarillion, an animation in series format. With different folks and different styles for each episode. This. My beef with action movies in general, not just Jackson's films, is that everything has to be over the top. Bigger explosions. More CGI. The scenes in Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon look mundane in comparison to the stuff you see now. The audience doesn't have time to catch its breath. Maybe it's just the old fart in me talking. I probably would have loved it as a kid. But nowadays I look for more than just an endless sequence of fight scenes. I realize I'm not the target audience anymore, which is why I go to the cinema less often now.
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Post by Falconer on Jan 21, 2015 15:41:33 GMT -6
If I were in charge (ha!) I would do it as a series of at least 5 "mini" series: i. The Fall of the Noldor ii. The Wars of Beleriand III. The Song of Beren and Luthien IV. The Childern of Hurin V. The Fall of Gondolin and the End of the Age I would do your #3-5 as a trilogy, and then go back and do your #1 as a prequel, centered around Fëanor. I don’t see a cohesive story in your #2. Even better would be a TV series. A truly ambitious one would tackle the entire legendarium up through the end of the First Age—possibly even with Ælfwine as a connecting device. Barring that, I’d like to see a TV series bookended by a Beren and Lúthien movie and a Fall of Gondolin movie. So the TV series would cover Narn i Chîn Húrin, Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin, The Wanderings of Húrin, and The Nauglafring.
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Post by tetramorph on Jan 21, 2015 15:47:28 GMT -6
Falconer, Okay, I read you. My #2, the Wars of Beleriand, is my thoughts of how to fit in all those cool stories that don't fall under the other four headings. It would require a creative screenplay writer who could find a central figure and discern a meaningful connecting plot to pull it off. This one would be the more warfare oriented one (obviously). It would be especially the Hurin stuff, Gondolin, the dark elf, etc. Because the Children of Hurin is, well, really about Turin. And yes, what I meant by "miniseries" was a set of 5 animated television series. I read the Silmarillion all the time, but I am still clearly ignorant: Aelfwine? The Nauglafring? Thanks!
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Post by tkdco2 on Jan 21, 2015 17:06:18 GMT -6
Aelfwine was in Unfinished Tales Book of Lost Tales. He actually would make a good connecting device; Tolkien may have created him to be just that.
Nauglafring = Necklace of the Dwarves. This item does connect the stories of Hurin and Beren, among others.
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Post by tetramorph on Jan 21, 2015 17:15:45 GMT -6
Aelfwine was in Unfinished Tales. He actually would make a good connecting device; Tolkien may have created him to be just that. Nauglafring = Necklace of the Dwarves. This item does connect the stories of Hurin and Beren, among others. Okay, got it. I've only read the Unfinished Tales through once, so I can't really remember Aelfwine. Can you briefly tell me how he would be a connector? But I do now remember Nauglafring. And yes, it does connect. Thanks.
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Post by tkdco2 on Jan 21, 2015 17:42:58 GMT -6
First a correction: Aelfwine appears in The Book of Lost Tales, not Unfinished Tales.
Aelfwine was the mariner who landed in Tol Eressea and was called Eriol by the Elves. But that name was a later addition. Anyway, that's where he learned about the events in The Silmarillion. So the series can begin with his landing and learning a new story each week.
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Post by tetramorph on Jan 21, 2015 17:59:21 GMT -6
First a correction: Aelfwine appears in The Book of Lost Tales, not Unfinished Tales. Aelfwine was the mariner who landed in Tol Eressea and was called Eriol by the Elves. But that name was a later addition. Anyway, that's where he learned about the events in The Silmarillion. So the series can begin with his landing and learning a new story each week. Oh, very nice. Like a thousand and one nights. Nice.
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Post by tkdco2 on Jan 21, 2015 18:05:57 GMT -6
Thanks, but Falconer deserves the credit, as it was his idea.
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Post by Falconer on Jan 22, 2015 10:05:51 GMT -6
Ælfwine — The Book of Lost Tales, Part One and Part Two
Fëanor — The Silmarillion with some neat bits from Morgoth’s Ring
Beren & Lúthien — The Lays of Beleriand till it ends; The Book of Lost Tales, Part Two for the rest
Narn i Chîn Húrin — The Children of Húrin filled out in the middle with the version from The Lays of Beleriand
Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin — Unfinished Tales
The Wanderings of Hurin — War of the Jewels
The Nauglafring — The Book of Lost Tales, Part Two
The Fall of Gondolin — The Book of Lost Tales, Part Two
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Post by xerxez on Jan 22, 2015 12:31:39 GMT -6
First of all, let me just say that I hope this isn't being seen as provocative or anything. I'm just posting this because I have heard several people say they would love to see a version of the PJ's The Hobbit with some of the extra parts removed. So, check it out! The link includes both the film and the parts that were edited out or altered. And if this seems like a shot across anyone's bow? Let me assure you, I mean no harm. Peace fellow gamers. tolkieneditor.wordpress.comThe real issue here is the legality of such a cut - especially, if the 3rd part is included already. That said, fan cuts are, in general, a great thing. Many years back, I watched a recut of "Twin Peaks", called "The Northwest Passage"; that one was pretty sweet, for example. (Or, the many attempts to improve the Star Wars PT; those definitely made the world a better place.) On a note concerning the future of the Tolkien brand - it seems that we're in for a slightly more mature project next, as "Tolkien and the Great War", one of the better biographical books about the big T, has been optioned as a TV series. Now, "optioned" is a small word in the movie industry, but it's a beginning. Im going back over my posts and trying to see where I did offend?
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Post by cooper on Jan 22, 2015 13:36:17 GMT -6
This will be the first "directors cut" that's shorter than the original. I'm downloading it now. Hopefully to be redeemed.
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