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Post by Necropraxis on Mar 25, 2013 22:23:50 GMT -6
When characters come to a door they may "listen" to detect any sound within. Note "Undead" never made any sound. A roll of 1 for humans, and 1 or 2 for Elves, Dwarves, or Hobbits will detect sound within if there is any to be heard. A good referee will have noise corridors (moaning, clanking, etc.) and rooms from whence come shuffling or muttering sounds. -- The Underworld & Wilderness Adventures, page 9 Thieves in Greyhawk get from -2 to -6 bonus on this roll (Greyhawk, page 11) based on level. How do most people run this? Do thieves succeed on hear noise rolls of 3 or less (at first level) given that 3 -2 = 1? What's the difference between -5 and -6, given that even 6 -5 is still 1? Do people introduce situational penalties to make the difference between -5 and -6 matter sometimes? If so, it seems like that would mean that classes other than thieves (and maybe some demi-humans, for penalties of only 1) would have no chance of succeeding at these modified hear noise checks. |
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Post by talysman on Mar 25, 2013 23:15:39 GMT -6
I have the sneaking suspicion that the Greyhawk column is supposed to read "1-2", "1-3", "1-4", "1-5", and "1-6". If not... well, halflings (but not dwarves or elves) get a +1. I'm not sure how that fits into the idea of thieves subtracting more from the roll as they increase in level.
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Post by Necropraxis on Mar 26, 2013 10:32:47 GMT -6
Interestingly, it seems like Matt Finch read it the same way I did, because S&W Complete starts off thieves with a 3 in 6 chance, raising to 6 in 6 by level 11.
I'm still curious how people run that. Is the ability just automatic at that level, or do people fudge in some sort of difficulty modifier? Or maybe few people notice this because its rare to get thieves so high level?
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Post by rabindranath72 on Mar 28, 2013 11:18:15 GMT -6
If you look at the later Holmes and Moldvay, it seems those entries are to be read as chances in 6.
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Post by coffee on Mar 29, 2013 9:55:57 GMT -6
I have the sneaking suspicion that the Greyhawk column is supposed to read "1-2", "1-3", "1-4", "1-5", and "1-6". Yes, this is the case. I have a printed copy of Greyhawk (8th printing, if it matters). Are you taking this from a pdf? Because I've noticed sometimes some pdfs drop text on occasion. |
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Post by talysman on Mar 29, 2013 15:34:42 GMT -6
I have the sneaking suspicion that the Greyhawk column is supposed to read "1-2", "1-3", "1-4", "1-5", and "1-6". Yes, this is the case. I have a printed copy of Greyhawk (8th printing, if it matters). Are you taking this from a pdf? Because I've noticed sometimes some pdfs drop text on occasion. Yes. I have an earlier printed version than the PDF, but it's in storage somewhere. For what it's worth, the pre-Greyhawk draft of the thief (which someone posted scans of, not long ago) show number ranges exactly like that. |
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Post by Zenopus on Mar 29, 2013 15:52:12 GMT -6
I have the sneaking suspicion that the Greyhawk column is supposed to read "1-2", "1-3", "1-4", "1-5", and "1-6". Yes, this is the case. I have a printed copy of Greyhawk (8th printing, if it matters). Are you taking this from a pdf? Because I've noticed sometimes some pdfs drop text on occasion. I have a 5th printing, April 1977, and it's also listed as 1-2, 1-3, etc. The pdf I have is the 12th printing, 1979. There it is -2, -3, etc. This is either an error in that printing or, more likely, in the pdf. |
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Post by DungeonDevil on Mar 29, 2013 18:30:17 GMT -6
Whatever print my Greyhawk printing is, it says 1-2, 1-3, etc. and at the bottom it says 1-6, which, I assume, is the same thing as "automatic".
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Post by Necropraxis on Mar 30, 2013 9:41:45 GMT -6
I have the sneaking suspicion that the Greyhawk column is supposed to read "1-2", "1-3", "1-4", "1-5", and "1-6". Yes, this is the case. I have a printed copy of Greyhawk (8th printing, if it matters). Thanks for this info. Very useful. |
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Post by rabindranath72 on Apr 4, 2013 12:08:51 GMT -6
Whatever print my Greyhawk printing is, it says 1-2, 1-3, etc. and at the bottom it says 1-6, which, I assume, is the same thing as "automatic". I think it doesn't say "automatic" because some external factors could reduce the chance to hear noise, so it would be confusing. |
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Post by Torreny on Apr 11, 2013 4:18:04 GMT -6
Another way to look at it, if we can get past the fractional chances on one die, and instead make it rolling that many dice to hit the magic number. Sorta' like ol' Chainmail's multi-dice rolls. 6 chances in 6? Yeah, 6 chances to hit '6'.
Or it can just be automatic. I'm not too fond of going past 10th level anyhoo.
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