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"I have no memory of this place..." « Thread Started on Dec 28, 2007, 8:51am »
What does everyone think of Peter Jackson's plans to make not one but two Hobbit movies--the Hobbit and a sequel-- to be released in 2010 and 2011 respectively? I'm excited about a PJ Hobbit, but the idea of the sequel makes me nervous. Is he trying to improve on Tolkein???
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Re: "I have no memory of this place..." « Reply #3 on Dec 28, 2007, 1:10pm »
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What does everyone think of Peter Jackson's plans to make not one but two Hobbit movies--the Hobbit and a sequel-- to be released in 2010 and 2011 respectively? I'm excited about a PJ Hobbit, but the idea of the sequel makes me nervous. Is he trying to improve on Tolkein???
--Sere
I found Jackson's LoTR trilogy to be a horrible misinterpretation of the books... the first one (Fellowship) was OK, but after that it took a nosedive. "Saving Private Frodo" or something.
The Hobbit is not as deep as LoTR, so the potential to defile and destroy it is thereby lessened, but I still expect him to figure out some way to mess it up. As to the question of making two movies out of it, or making a sequel, I just assume that is part of his disastrous and uninformed plan.
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Re: "I have no memory of this place..." « Reply #4 on Dec 28, 2007, 3:42pm »
While Jackson did alter a few things in LOTR, overall I think it was a good product. It's hard to convey the full story to non-LOTR fans while not boring the LOTR-knowledgable, but I think he did a decent job. Most importantly, his love for the books really comes through in terms of the detail he put into props, costumes, and the like. I think overall the LOTR movie trilogy is a lot like professor Tolkien might have imagined it had he had a movie media at his disposal.
Now as far as the Hobbit goes, I would assume that he would put similar care and love into the project so it's probably going to be a pretty good movie. (At least you probably know what you're getting in advance. If you liked LOTR you'll probably like Hobbit, if you didn't like LOTR you probably won't.)
I'm a little puzzled about the two-movie thing, however, as Hobbit shouldn't take more than one movie to tell. If the other movie was a Silmarillion type story, that would be neat. If it's a brand-new story then I have mixed feelings....
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Re: "I have no memory of this place..." « Reply #5 on Dec 28, 2007, 4:02pm »
I'm a little leery of having ANYBODY come and say that they are going to add things to JRR's mythology that weren't already there. However, Peter Jackson's track record with Middle Earth has been very good so far, so I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one until I actually see it. At this point, we have literally no clue as to what he intends to do, so there is no use getting peeved over it yet.
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Re: "I have no memory of this place..." « Reply #6 on Dec 28, 2007, 5:02pm »
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At this point, we have literally no clue as to what he intends to do, so there is no use getting peeved over it yet.
Doc
Ah, but what's the point of getting peeved after it's a done deal? By then it will be extremely clear whether it was a coup or a tragedy. No, no. Much better to have it out now, while the playing field is level.
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Re: "I have no memory of this place..." « Reply #7 on Dec 28, 2007, 7:49pm »
From my understanding PJ plans on doing the HOBBIT proper in the first movie. In the second movie they are going to use the Simillrion (unsure of the spelling) and other sources to put together the story of what happens from the end of the HOBBIT to the beggining of the LOTR.
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Re: "I have no memory of this place..." « Reply #8 on Dec 29, 2007, 12:38am »
Not being an "Uber" Tolkien fan in the first place, I have to say that "The Hobbit" is my favorite (The Book of Lost Tales comes in 2nd, The Silmarillion 3rd, Farmer Giles of Ham [which ISN'T set in Middle-Earth anyway] a 4th, & the LOTR trilogy 5th). I think Peter Jackson is a very talented filmaker, & if "The Hobbit" is anything like the LOTR movies, it should be really good (I'm hoping for better than LOTR). Just my op.
[EDIT]: Oh, & I want to see Smaug smoke Laketown...
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Re: "I have no memory of this place..." « Reply #10 on Dec 29, 2007, 7:59pm »
It's a bit curious. Apart from the "surfer dude" elf and some mistreatment of Merry and Peregrin, Jackson did about what I thought a tolerable LOTR movie version would do. The first installment in particular suggested some cuts that led in turn to other changes. On the other hand, was there a notable scene with a troll in Moria in the original? In any case, that felt somehow "video-gamey" to me.
I saw all three flicks with my father, who still had not finished the last book when we'd seen the last film. I averred to there being "more to the story" and "not leaving Evil behind with Goblinland," and the like.
In that context, perhaps one weakness in Jackson's movies in their own right is also a strength in terms of leaving something profound left to discover in the books.
There is much more of that, of course, and Da (both a History major and a Seminarian) is full of unearthed arcana!
[edit:] The portrayal of Gollum raises many issues in terms of fidelity. but I think it stands in its own right as a great work. The movie Blade Runnner is at odds with Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? -- but I cannot on that basis call the director's work inferior; it stands as a cinematic triumph. In Jackson's production, Frodo and Samwise also stand out as performances for the ages. There is as much in them of nobility, pathos and (startlingly in contrast) comedy as in any Shakespearean role. Gondor's dysfunctional ruling family jerked more an honest tear from my eyes than any "chick flick" in recent memory. On balance, the trilogy was a taste of Hollywood at its best amid an otherwise dismal field of tinsel-town product.
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Re: "I have no memory of this place..." « Reply #11 on Dec 29, 2007, 9:39pm »
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Farmer Giles of Ham [which ISN'T set in Middle-Earth anyway]
Farmer Giles of Ham has always been one of my favorites as well. A bit off-topic, but did you know that there is a special edition hardback with a fragment JRRT wrote as a sequel?
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Re: "I have no memory of this place..." « Reply #12 on Dec 30, 2007, 1:59am »
I sure didn't--I'll check around on the net for it. If it's within our price range, I'll pick it up (the copy I have is really old; I bought it at my favorite haunt when I was around 12 or so [& it was "well used" then]). Thanks for the tip, Fin!
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Re: "I have no memory of this place..." « Reply #14 on Jan 3, 2008, 8:06am »
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I found Jackson's LoTR trilogy to be a horrible misinterpretation of the books... the first one (Fellowship) was OK, but after that it took a nosedive. "Saving Private Frodo" or something.
The Hobbit is not as deep as LoTR, so the potential to defile and destroy it is thereby lessened, but I still expect him to figure out some way to mess it up. As to the question of making two movies out of it, or making a sequel, I just assume that is part of his disastrous and uninformed plan.
The Hobbit may not be as deep as The Lord of the Rings, however it is the more tightly constructed narrative and the more charming. As a children's story, it carries with it a heavier weight of nostalgia. If Jackson screws it up like LotR, it will be more devastating than LotR. And all I've heard leads me to believe he'll do it as much like LotR as possible--which it absolutely should not be. Regards.
A man may do both. For not we but those who come after will make the legends of our time. The green earth, say you? That is a mighty matter of legend, though you tread it under the light of day! —J.R.R. Tolkien
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