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A way to early feedback thread « Thread Started on Aug 14, 2012, 10:51am »
Looks pretty good so far...of course I have a but....Im not sure I will not house rule the following instantly
Wisdom grants extra languages Damage bonus I assume is for all class, not just fighters Optional thief is simple but not compelling. Id rather ignore the thief or make a more Greyhawk style one
Im interested to read why certain decisions where made on the above as they are not sitting comfortably with me at the mo.
Feedback from me is positive having said the above
ps Negative xp bonus is harsh -10/-20 (didnt like it ODnd or B/X either) I personally prefer the ADnD only get bonus rule from PH
« Last Edit: Aug 14, 2012, 11:00am by trebormills »
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Re: A way to early feedback thread « Reply #2 on Aug 14, 2012, 11:01am »
Nice link I shall mine it for understanding
EDIT> That link makes a lot of sense out of the optional thief... I guess the granularity of a 1d6 roll makes it feel like the thief doesn't really gain much by advancing a level. May as well be a fighter and get Armour, fighting etc bonus. I do agree that a thief needs to be good at stuff or else why bother anyway. I like the Thief skills as "Saving Throw" table from the link
« Last Edit: Aug 14, 2012, 11:23am by trebormills »
A man may do both. For not we but those who come after will make the legends of our time. The green earth, say you? That is a mighty matter of legend, though you tread it under the light of day! —J.R.R. Tolkien
Why is it Dwarfs instead of Dwarves? Some sort of anti-Tolkien sentiment at play?
Ah, you made me Google search a post I made on old Usenet back in 1995. From my October 9, 1995 post:
Quote:
_Webster's Third New International Dictionary of the English Language_ (Unabridged, copyright 1986) lists the plural of dwarf as being dwarfs or dwarves. It lists the plural of elf as elfs or elves. The _Oxford English Dictionary_ (2nd edition, copyright 1989) lists the plural of dwarf as dwarfs and the plural of elf as elves. Where the confusion about dwarrows comes in is in the phonetic changes of the word. The singular was dweorg in which the -eor- became -a- and -g- became -f-. The plural was dweorgas and changed a little differently. It took on the forms dwerwhes, dwerwes, dwerows, and dwarrows. Dwarrows eventually became dwarfs or dwarves depending on which dictionary you consult.
Re: A way to early feedback thread « Reply #7 on Aug 14, 2012, 5:54pm »
English orthography is a rather eccentric one; I am not surprised by the fact that within its framework, the singular-plural pairs "dwarf-dwarfs" and "knife-knives" are possible. I, however, am still going to use "elves" and "dwarves", not only because I feel it being more in line with other similar cases, but also because it better reflects my pronunciation.
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Re: A way to early feedback thread « Reply #8 on Aug 14, 2012, 6:24pm »
Thanks for the feedback all.
This is as good a place as any to comment and discuss... in fact, that is what this sub-forum is for.
I will explain how we arrived at our decisions to the best of my ability, but I'm not going to attempt to justify anything or convince anyone. As we all know, it's impossible to meet everyone's expectations perfectly, since different folks have different expectations. We simply made the best decisions we could make.
So, in answer to a few of the specific questions....
Wisdom grants extra languages Damage bonus I assume is for all class, not just fighters Optional thief is simple but not compelling. Id rather ignore the thief or make a more Greyhawk style one
Regarding wisdom, it is stated in the 3LBBs that wisdom is as intelligence, and therefore it adjusts number of languages as does intelligence. One might also argue that without this the wisdom ability serves almost no purpose.
Regarding the strength bonus to damage, originally we had it as an optional "EGG house rule" (seeing this is reportedly how EGG played it in the early days). However, we eventually had to cut all "EGG house rules" for space reasons -- thinking that these might be presented in a supplement of their own one day. However, as the relationship between size/strength and damage is strongly implied throughout the 3LBBs, and DD is actually derived from the d20 SRD system, it felt right to leave in the adjustment for high strength.
Regarding the thief, there are a lot of people who don't like the thief, which is why it is optional. There are also a lot of people, including EGG, who do like the thief, which is also why it is optional. Regarding the simplistic implementation, that was intentionally done for several reasons including: 1) it doesn't presuppose the pivotal shift to percentage based skill systems, and 2) it leaves it wide open for the referee to house rule and make it his own
Why is it Dwarfs instead of Dwarves? Some sort of anti-Tolkien sentiment at play?
It's definitely not any anti-Tolkien sentiment... I'm a huge Tolkien fan, in fact.
This choice was based purely on research into the more "correct" *cough* spelling. When this turned out to be a reasonably complicated area (as others have posted), we decided to go with "dwarfs" as one small way in which DD differentiates itself from other games. Even though it is a clone, it still needs to be its own identifiable product.
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Re: A way to early feedback thread « Reply #10 on Aug 14, 2012, 7:30pm »
Thanks for the replies I found the thread linked by Verhaden very useful for seeing some of thought that may have gone into the DD Thief rules. Nice ideas and I agree with much of it. But it doesn’t seem to work for me mentally, of course actual play always help clarify your mind. I see what your driving at re wisdom but it seems wonky to me.
I think its a good idea not to try to please everyone! Im liking what i see so far and it looks like a fun take on ODnD with the d20 SRD
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Re: A way to early feedback thread « Reply #13 on Aug 15, 2012, 5:13pm »
@Mike, that one is typo that will get corrected. Thanks!
@Bestialwarlust, an individual referee can rule otherwise if he pleases, but essentially yes. A dwarf notices these things just by passing nearby, as per the 3LBBs.
Re: A way to early feedback thread « Reply #14 on Aug 16, 2012, 10:38am »
Two quick and easy to fix errors I noticed:
(1) In the section on Clerics, the word "forbade" should be "forbidden" (i.e. "In performing their duties clerics are allowed shields and any armor but are forbidden the use of edged or piercing weapons.") Forbade is the preterite (e.g. I forbid today, and I forbade yesterday.); forbidden is the passive participle (e.g. What I forbade yesterday is still forbidden today.)
(2) In the section on Dwarfs, the word "expecting" should be "excepting" (i.e. "Dwarfs are fighters excepting they are the only characters..."), since I presume the idea here is that Dwarfs are in every respect fighters except for the facts that only they make full use of the +3 hammer.
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