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Re: Post-Tolkein-Estate-Lawsuit Changes... « Reply #16 on May 20, 2009, 10:18am »
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Re: Post-Tolkein-Estate-Lawsuit Changes... « Reply #19 on May 20, 2009, 1:34pm »
Well, that is never explicit in the rulebooks. Indeed, in Chainmail Orcs are in fact Tolkien Orcs (even divided into Orcs of Mordor, Isengarders, and Orcs of the White Hand) and goblins are folk tale goblins.
Indeed, in Chainmail Orcs are in fact Tolkien Orcs (even divided into Orcs of Mordor, Isengarders, and Orcs of the White Hand)
Those ARE the different types of URUKS of The Lord of the Rings. There were the “Black Uruks of Mordor” and the “Fighting Uruk-hai of Isengard” (of course the White Hand is the same thing as Isengard).
The small orcs of the Misty Mountains are the ones referred to as “Goblins” in The Hobbit. (Referred to as “Snaga,” slave, by the Uruks in The Lord of the Rings.)
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Re: Post-Tolkein-Estate-Lawsuit Changes... « Reply #24 on May 21, 2009, 7:11am »
It does, actually, stating somewhere that orcs are big goblins. In fact, kobolds, goblins, hobgoblins, orcs, and even gnolls, are members of the goblin familiy - as far as I can understand - and all of them are being members of the giant family.
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It does, actually, stating somewhere that orcs are big goblins. In fact, kobolds, goblins, hobgoblins, orcs, and even gnolls, are members of the goblin familiy - as far as I can understand - and all of them are being members of the giant family.
Yes, but the books never referenced Tolkien on this, and that wasn't changed after the lawsuit.
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Re: Post-Tolkein-Estate-Lawsuit Changes... « Reply #28 on May 21, 2009, 9:07am »
The earlier prints had both references. A normal Roc is a Tolkien Eagle. To portray the mythological Roc that feeds on Elephants you would need to beef it up. I don't have it in front of me but I'm sure it's more or less the same language in all versions.
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Re: Post-Tolkein-Estate-Lawsuit Changes... « Reply #29 on May 21, 2009, 9:14am »
I always thought of the.. * Misty Mountain orcs as being OD&D Goblins. * Moria orcs as being OD&D Orcs. * Isengard Uruk-hai as being OD&D Hobgoblins.
Moria IS in the Misty Mountains. (Did you mean Mordor?)
My take on it is that Goblins & Hobgoblins are Misty Mountains Goblins, with Hobgoblins being great Goblins like Bolg. Given the tendency of the race to decay/diminish, even in the First Age, some Goblins were given a genetic boost by interbreeding with Boldogs, or Maiar in Orc-shape. Hobgoblins are their modern descendants.
Orcs (Tolkien’s Uruks) appeared in the Third Age and were Goblins given a genetic boost by interbreeding experiments with Men. Both Sauron and Saruman conducted such experiments, Saruman’s products tending to be more heavily Mannish (Half-Orcs).
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