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S&W:WB Draft?
« Thread Started on Jul 17, 2008, 5:44pm »

Hey guys.

I was wondering if there is a S&W:WB draft version we could see yet.
I'm itching to start converting my homebrew setting.

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Re: S&W:WB Draft?
« Reply #1 on Jul 17, 2008, 7:12pm »

I think that the answer is "soon."

My part of the edit is done and Matt is proofing my work and checking for legal issues. Also, we've had some minor "in there or not" discussions about some of the content.

And we're trying to finalize the name. "Swords & Wizardry: WB" doesn't quite flow....

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Re: S&W:WB Draft?
« Reply #2 on Jul 17, 2008, 7:40pm »

Cool. Thanks for the update.

How about:

S&W: Original Edition

S&W: Classic Edition

Original Fantasy Roleplaying?

Original Adventures

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Re: S&W:WB Draft?
« Reply #3 on Jul 17, 2008, 7:56pm »

I just checked and it looks like "Original Edition Fantasy" is available.

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Re: S&W:WB Draft?
« Reply #4 on Jul 17, 2008, 9:23pm »

Jul 17, 2008, 7:56pm, John Adams wrote:

I just checked and it looks like "Original Edition Fantasy" is available.

The difficulty is that the core rules are also 0e, so "Original" doesn't distinguish the two well enough. The Core rules are also Original Edition...

The answer is "fairly soon." I have finished proofing Fin's draft, and I've finished a side-by-side read to make sure we haven't done something wildly divergent, plus I've put James M's edits to the core rules into the drafts. I have to put it all into the computer tomorrow, and then I'll be done. However, the artwork is still in process, and the layout will have to be done. But there's no bottleneck, just regular finishing time. And the name, of course...

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Re: S&W:WB Draft?
« Reply #5 on Jul 18, 2008, 1:32am »

I think the name is fine, and describes what the purpose of the rules is. Plus, too much changing is going to get confusing. It's already slightly confusing to have two versions being made at the same time, and people are getting used to the names talked about on the forums.

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Re: S&W:WB Draft?
« Reply #6 on Jul 18, 2008, 10:28am »

You know, you can call them S&W: d6 and S&W: d8 for all of me. But the longer we refer to it as the "White Box" edition, the better chance that name has of sticking.

Steve Jackson first used GURPS as a joke. But they didn't come up with a better name and it stuck...

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Re: S&W:WB Draft?
« Reply #7 on Jul 18, 2008, 11:33am »

Jul 17, 2008, 9:23pm, mythmere wrote:

The difficulty is that the core rules are also 0e, so "Original" doesn't distinguish the two well enough. The Core rules are also Original Edition...

Actually, the problem is more that the WB is actually the Original edition without the supplements, but S&W has its Original editon with the supplements. So while Matt's Original edition is actually the OD&D enhanced edition, my edition to mimic the OD&D Original edition is a derivative of Matt's core rules and is not itself original.

Does that help?

Either way, Matt is right -- both rules sets are based off of some variant of the "Original D&D" and so it's not really fair or accrurate to call one "original" and the other not. I'm tempted to leave it "WB Edition" and never quite explain why there's not a box...

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Re: S&W:WB Draft?
« Reply #8 on Jul 18, 2008, 11:46am »

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Re: S&W:WB Draft?
« Reply #9 on Jul 18, 2008, 11:53am »

I was just worried that S&W:GH or S&W:WB refer to the game of origin too much. But hey, Matt's the lawyer, not me.

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Re: S&W:WB Draft?
« Reply #10 on Jul 18, 2008, 6:35pm »

Jul 18, 2008, 11:53am, John Adams wrote:

I was just worried that S&W:GH or S&W:WB refer to the game of origin too much. But hey, Matt's the lawyer, not me.

It's allowable to refer to the game of origin, but not to refer to the trademark name. Thus, "Whitebox" is fine. GH will not be named, because it's a trademark. The Core Edition will be called ... The Core Edition.

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Re: S&W:WB Draft?
« Reply #11 on Jul 18, 2008, 9:13pm »

Okay, Finarvyn seemed to indicate it needed a new name - I was just trying to help.
Whitebox will work for me.

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Re: S&W:WB Draft?
« Reply #12 on Jul 18, 2008, 10:05pm »

Jul 18, 2008, 9:13pm, John Adams wrote:

Okay, Finarvyn seemed to indicate it needed a new name - I was just trying to help. Whitebox will work for me.

I appreciate the suggestions because we're not 100% sure of anything quite yet. We've tossed around a few names and may have ended up where we started.