cadriel: I think they've back away "multiple styles at one table". It's now more of the new edition supporting multiple styles of play but not at the same time. Each group will choose if they want a "core" game, or a more complex type built on that core.
Now that is a whole lot more believable than "many styles at one table".
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Re: WOTC supports White Box D&D?? « Reply #16 on Feb 18, 2012, 9:07pm »
The more they go back on their previous statements, the more skeptical I am of their upcoming game. If they make a statement, that's the standard I'm holding them to.
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"To be clear, we're not talking about creating a bridge so that you can play 1E and 4E at the same time. Instead, we're allowing you to play a 1E-style game or a 4E-style game with the same rules. Also, players at the table can choose the style of character they want to play."
I was thinking of the first sentence. But based on that third sentence, maybe one player will be able to play a 1E style character and another a 3E style character in the same game.
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Stating they support "all versions" including "the original white box" on the heels of stating the AD&D reprint is a part of that support strategy sounds as if he is strongly implying a similar level of support for O&D. The alternative is he is either making statements he can't back up or he was misquoted.
I don't think you're reading the quote right. You're reading it the way he may have intended it to be read, but not what it says. I don't think there's any obligation implied by the release of the core AD&D books to anything greater for re-release.
Let me take it the worst way possible to make it totally clear what I think the reality is...
Quote:
The release of the classic AD&D is... our plan to make it clear we support all versions...
Here's what I think he's saying: "We wanted to show our support of all the old versions, so we released a limited print run of the most popular for those people who like the old versions. We may or may not re-release anything else from the old library, if we deem it necessary. But, this is just a nod to the OSR, the rest of our plan is "support" old versions by making D&D Next good for everyone."
Yeah, I'm being an ass here, but this is completely how I take that quote.
I expect no reissues of old content, or direct WOTC releases support 0e, 1e, 2e, 3e, or even 4e leading up to or after D&DN comes out.
No, you're not. Your doing a fine job of presenting your opinion in a non-challenging manner. I hope I'm doing the same ... I'm enjoying the discussion.
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Re: WOTC supports White Box D&D?? « Reply #22 on Feb 19, 2012, 10:55am »
It would be great if WotC republished the 1974 rules in a sturdy, wooden box. (Talk about woodgrain!) And not as some sort of limited specialty item, but as a continuously available game. In addition to the booklets and referee sheets, they should include a set of dice as well (but no 10-sider, and the 20 should be numbered 0-9 twice!).
On top of that, they could also publish a "Deluxe" version of the above boxed set. It would also include supplements I through IV.
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Re: WOTC supports White Box D&D?? « Reply #23 on Feb 19, 2012, 1:16pm »
Great idea, Geoffrey. I've long been a fan of the company that produces the original versions of Risk and Monopoly, complete with retro-style playing pieces and box art. It seems OD&D is a natural for this kind of limited, high-end release.
Heck, you could even make the wooden box look like a treasure chest ...
It would be great if WotC republished the 1974 rules in a sturdy, wooden box. (Talk about woodgrain!) And not as some sort of limited specialty item, but as a continuously available game. In addition to the booklets and referee sheets, they should include a set of dice as well (but no 10-sider, and the 20 should be numbered 0-9 twice!).
On top of that, they could also publish a "Deluxe" version of the above boxed set. It would also include supplements I through IV.
Hear hear! And off topic, look what I got from Amazon a few days ago:
Re: WOTC supports White Box D&D?? « Reply #26 on Feb 19, 2012, 7:06pm »
I'm cautiously optimistic but I am not holding my breath on anything. The few hints we have gotten about 'D&D Next' do have me interested but not sold. I will have to see the game to make a final decision on it.
FWIW, it sounds like the new D&D is going to be similar to C&C without the SIEGE engine which, is a good thing in my book. If it is close to that WOTC will have me back as a customer.
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Re: WOTC supports White Box D&D?? « Reply #27 on Feb 20, 2012, 8:41am via the ProBoards Mobile App »
The only thing I've really liked from WoTC so far is the map tiles. Great quality and decent price.... but now that I own them, I found I never actually used them in a game.
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Re: WOTC supports White Box D&D?? « Reply #28 on Feb 20, 2012, 3:51pm »
I hope this quote in my OP isn't just marketing talk for D&D 5 or whatever. I'm hoping its a fundamental recognition that D&D's identity and history can't be entirely forgotten in the face of whatever new thing they're trying to sell. The endless editions of the game were simple going to destroy the ability of the company to have any fan base at all.
They hopefully have seen that going down the road they were on with 4th edition was going to take them into a place that by the next edition or two they were going to have nobody left who cared as their customers had clearly decided they weren't moving on when the company decided they were done with the current edition. The popularity of both Pathfinder and the clone games makes this painfully clear. They couldn't just hope to put the D&D name on some new iteration of rules and hope that everyone got on board.
So embracing the actual history of the IP they own seems like a good idea for WOTC. We've all been embracing that early history, and it does seem increasingly bizarre that the company that owns the game would try to ignore that history.
So embracing the actual history of the IP they own seems like a good idea for WOTC. We've all been embracing that early history, and it does seem increasingly bizarre that the company that owns the game would try to ignore that history.
Yeah, it does seem absurd, especially since they're sitting on a goldmine of intellectual property (modules especially). I really hope the basic game bears a striking resemblance to OD&D (as they have said themselves) and that the adventure releases are relatively straight adaptations of classic modules. Not something like "Return to the...(somethingsomething)" but the actual module itself.
The fact they've been playtesting the game using a version of Keep on the Borderlands/Caves of Chaos is promising.
I'd also love it if all the interiors were black and white only, without any annoying borders. I don't really get the appeal of the full color, art everywhere book. B&W would keep the price down as well, make it easier to write notes in the margins, and would also make it easier to print as a pdf (which they should make possible).
But something tells me we'd be more likely to see a reprint of the white box than this last point. Nature of the industry (or the consumer) these days.
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