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WOTC supports White Box D&D??
« Thread Started on Feb 18, 2012, 2:32pm »
Did anybody catch this quote from Mearls:


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The project we’re undertaking is more than just a revision of the D&D rules, it’s a new approach to how we look at D&D as a whole. The release of the classic Advanced Dungeons & Dragons game is part of our plan to make it clear that we support all versions of D&D, from the original white box set to the newest 4th Edition expansions. D&D has a long and rich history—one that we intend to embrace and support even as we move into the future.


Supporting White Box??

Now. . .what does that mean?

Here's the link:

http://www.wizards.com/dnd/Article.aspx?x=dnd/4alum/2012Feb
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Re: WOTC supports White Box D&D??
« Reply #1 on Feb 18, 2012, 2:37pm »
The cynic within me says: it means they don't know OD&D from shinola.

The dreamer within me says: big news is on the way!

Take your pick! 8-)
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« Reply #2 on Feb 18, 2012, 2:39pm »
Yeah. There was a time where I thought they were pulling my leg. The I got over that and thought they might actually pull it off. Not is just seems like everything put out by WotC is about marketing and has no real substance at all. This is just another one of those substance-less posts as far as I'm concerned
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« Reply #3 on Feb 18, 2012, 3:53pm »
Well now.... Put out another print run of the OCE and will talk ;)

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« Reply #4 on Feb 18, 2012, 4:01pm »
My stance on this is that I have no desire to hold my breath. With what I have already and the great retro-clone support already available, I'm not sure what WoTC would bring to the table but inventive ways to try to get me to part with my money. :-P
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« Reply #5 on Feb 18, 2012, 4:05pm »
I assume that he means "D&D Next will be a game which can be played by enthusiasts of all editions."

I don't get the vibe that they are planning active support of OD&D any more than they are really supporting AD&D. The AD&D reprints are in limited quantity and as far as I know will receive no actual product support other than the books themselves.
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« Reply #6 on Feb 18, 2012, 5:10pm »
Well, I can say to that is ... "deeds over words".

Their deeds, to this point at least, do not give credence to their words. For crying out loud, all they would have to do to support the OD&D fan base is to make the previously available PDFs legally obtainable (again).

Is including us in the new release a positive thing? Sure, if that is indeed what they intend, and if that can even be done in any meaningful way. I'm skeptical a game that appeals to the 4th Ed crowd will sail with us older gamers.

But right now? This second? Release the blasted PDFs!

Plus, the wording of that quote gives a lot of wiggle room for future plausible deniability.
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« Reply #7 on Feb 18, 2012, 5:25pm »
From what I'm reading he's saying that the release of the AD&D print run books is the part of the plan that shows that they are supportive of everything. I don't read future support of older editions in that quote. I like Mike, he even came to these boards a few times before 4th ed release, I think that Mike likes old school gaming and supports it, Mike isn't Wotc by himself though, and certainly not hasbro.
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« Reply #8 on Feb 18, 2012, 5:47pm »
I have nothing against Mike, either. I've never met him IRL but I've interacted with him in cyberspace.

Nor do I have an axe to grind with D&D Next ... I'm merely stating I'm not going to buy a pig in a poke and further opining they have taken on a formidable task. Not impossible, mind; but a tough job.

Last of all the quote The release of the classic Advanced Dungeons & Dragons game is part of our plan to make it clear that we support all versions of D&D, from the original white box set to the newest 4th Edition expansions.

Stating they support "all versions" including "the original white box" on the heels of stating the AD&D reprint is a part of that support strategy sounds as if he is strongly implying a similar level of support for O&D. The alternative is he is either making statements he can't back up or he was misquoted.

This isn't a slam against Mike the person, this is calling to question statements made by WotC through Mike.

(edited to correct sentence flow following the quote)
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« Reply #9 on Feb 18, 2012, 6:00pm »
The company spent ten years pretending that D&D didn't have a history, and now that the fan community has taken LONG steps toward reclaiming that history they've woken up at what a gigantic blunder it is to pretend otherwise.

Well, that's something anyway.
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« Reply #10 on Feb 18, 2012, 6:02pm »
Of course there is support for White Box. "Oh. I see you are using a very old copy of Dungeons and Dragons. I believe we can answer your questions more easily if you upgrade to version 4." :D
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« Reply #11 on Feb 18, 2012, 6:53pm »
The buzz seems to be that they are trying to make a version that is modular enough that people who like 3e character optimization can play at the same table as people who prefer OD&D. It's probable that the game will have options for simple fast and deadly combat, and for highly detailed combat, and options for feats and skills and character optimization, and rules for playing "a fighter."

It more or less means that WotC expects old school gamers to buy 5e. Personally I think it's mostly marketing hype, because I don't find anything aesthetically interesting enough about WotC D&D to actually buy a product from them.
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« Reply #12 on Feb 18, 2012, 7:13pm »
cadriel: I think they've back away "multiple styles at one table". It's now more of the new edition supporting multiple styles of play but not at the same time. Each group will choose if they want a "core" game, or a more complex type built on that core.
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« Reply #13 on Feb 18, 2012, 8:01pm »
I still think we'll get an OD&D reprint for the 40th anniversary in 2014. I also think the base 5e game will look a lot like B/X so OSR material will be compatible.
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« Reply #14 on Feb 18, 2012, 8:25pm »

Feb 18, 2012, 7:13pm, Zenopus wrote:
cadriel: I think they've back away "multiple styles at one table". It's now more of the new edition supporting multiple styles of play but not at the same time. Each group will choose if they want a "core" game, or a more complex type built on that core.

Of course, assuming that the games published by WotC are nothing but more complex versions of older D&D betrays an utter lack of understanding of the different assumptions behind the different games.

I'm really not sure what WotC will offer that would make gamers attracted to classic editions buy anything for it. Their track record leaves quite a lot to be desired.
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