Topic: Dungeonmaster's Index (by Dave Arneson) (Read 2,084 times)
tgamemaster1975 Guest
Dungeonmaster's Index (by Dave Arneson) « Thread Started on Nov 25, 2007, 1:18am »
I am not sure if this is the place for this or not, but I am interested in whatever info the owner of the Dungeonmaster's Index (by Dave Arneson) could share with us of exactly what resources are included in the index, its scope as it were, and any other details about the organization and content of it.
Joined: Jul 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 2,503 Karma: 57
Re: Dungeonmaster's Index (by Dave Arneson) « Reply #1 on Nov 25, 2007, 5:45am »
Quote:
I am not sure if this is the place for this or not, but I am interested in whatever info the owner of the Dungeonmaster's Index (by Dave Arneson) could share with us of exactly what resources are included in the index, its scope as it were, and any other details about the organization and content of it.
I could swear I already answered this. So I went to the "Who Has the Dave Arneson Resources" thread and copied my earlier answer:
Okay, here's the deal on the Dungeonmaster's Index.
It's a 38 page book, 8" x 10". Color front cover, b&w interior.
MOD EDIT: Image added for ya!
Anyway, the book is divided into the following parts:
Part I Men and Monsters pp1-13 Part II Spells pp14-23 Part III Magic Items pp24-36 Part IV Tables pp37-38
Here are a some sample entries:
From part I Men and Monsters:
Air Elementals, CM-31, EW-57 (See also Elementals)
Dieter the Deathless, anger-fueled fighting machine.
tgamemaster1975 Guest
Re: Dungeonmaster's Index (by Dave Arneson) « Reply #2 on Nov 25, 2007, 8:23pm »
I missed the post in the polling thread, which is terrible since I started the thread. So it just goes through SR#7 and doesn't cover any of The Dragon.
Is there an abbrev key that you could post or anything like that?
Joined: Jul 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 2,503 Karma: 57
Re: Dungeonmaster's Index (by Dave Arneson) « Reply #3 on Nov 26, 2007, 4:32am »
Sure:
CM is Chainmail Vol I is Men and Magic Vol II is Monsters and Treasure Vol III is The Underworld and Wilderness Adventures GH is Greyhawk BM is Blackmoor EW is Eldritch Wizardry GDGH is Gods, Demigods and Heroes SS is Swords and Spells SR no 1-7 is The Strategic Review, No 1-7
These are the only ones listed, but others are used, specifically for spells. Not too hard to work out:
D for Druid C for Cleric I for Illusionist M for Magic-User P for Psionic
Dieter the Deathless, anger-fueled fighting machine.
Finarvyn Administrator Dungeon Master member is offline
Joined: Jun 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 4,674 Location: Near Chicago Karma: 178
Re: Dungeonmaster's Index (by Dave Arneson) « Reply #4 on Nov 26, 2007, 5:47pm »
If anyone knows where I can get a copy of this book, let me know. I suppose I could sit down and do an index myself, but it's always nicer when someone else does the busy work first...
Marv / Finarvyn DCC playtester (2011) C&C playtester (2003) I'm partly responsible for the S&W WhiteBox Builder of the TrollBridge Master of Mutants; MA since 1976 OD&D Player since 1975
"Don't ask me what you need to hit. Just roll the die and I will let you know!" - Dave Arneson
crimhthanthegreat Guest
Re: Dungeonmaster's Index (by Dave Arneson) « Reply #5 on Nov 26, 2007, 10:56pm »
I think there are very very few of these around, and the odds of any of us getting one short of someone making a pdf and passing it around a slim to none. However; we could go into the workshop since we do have one and start a group project of all 108 (as of this moment) members to create our own index and include the relevant issues of The Dragon also. Then we will not only have an index but it will be even more complete. Since we have created it ourselves, we can pdf it and pass it around, post it at DF etc.
What do you think, Fin, can we do that here as a group. If we all had the same index to use, might be a really good thing.
And while we are at it why, don't we start a project to create a supplement along the lines of Supplement I Greyhawk.
« Last Edit: Nov 26, 2007, 11:00pm by crimhthanthegreat »
Joined: Jul 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 2,503 Karma: 57
Re: Dungeonmaster's Index (by Dave Arneson) « Reply #6 on Nov 27, 2007, 4:17am »
Ah, ya caught me! I've been toying with the notion of scanning the book in and making a pdf of it. Couldn't (and wouldn't!) sell it, but it might be nice to have it available. Maybe RPG Now would be able to do something with it, like get Dave's blessing and make it officially available. I think there might be a few people out there who would like to have a resource like this.
But I don't know how to go about the whole getting permission/setting up the distribution chain thing.
Dieter the Deathless, anger-fueled fighting machine.
crimhthanthegreat Guest
Re: Dungeonmaster's Index (by Dave Arneson) « Reply #7 on Nov 30, 2007, 8:14am »
Quote:
Ah, ya caught me! I've been toying with the notion of scanning the book in and making a pdf of it. Couldn't (and wouldn't!) sell it, but it might be nice to have it available. Maybe RPG Now would be able to do something with it, like get Dave's blessing and make it officially available. I think there might be a few people out there who would like to have a resource like this.
But I don't know how to go about the whole getting permission/setting up the distribution chain thing.
Any advice?
The only advice I have is if someone here has contact with Dave Arneson and assuming he has the rights to it (he may not have the rights as part of the resolution of the lawsuit being settled with TSR). If TSR ended up with the rights it is a shame they didn't print more of them. But someone could check to see if he does have the rights and if so if he would be interested in having a pdf created to see at RPG Now. Hopefully he would be interested. I know I would gladly buy the pdf.
But if that route is fruitless, I still propose that we start a thread in our workshop and create our own and include The Dragon in it.
Joined: Jul 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 2,503 Karma: 57
Re: Dungeonmaster's Index (by Dave Arneson) « Reply #8 on Nov 30, 2007, 1:51pm »
As far as TSR having the rights, I wouldn't think so. It's not a TSR product. I don't recall exactly who published it (i.e.; what company Dave had that published it) but it is definitely NOT from TSR.
Dieter the Deathless, anger-fueled fighting machine.
crimhthanthegreat Guest
Re: Dungeonmaster's Index (by Dave Arneson) « Reply #9 on Dec 1, 2007, 12:34am »
Quote:
As far as TSR having the rights, I wouldn't think so. It's not a TSR product. I don't recall exactly who published it (i.e.; what company Dave had that published it) but it is definitely NOT from TSR.
So that gives us some hope, doesn't it?
One can hope. I was thinking that since it is an index of TSR products they might have claimed it as part of settling the lawsuit, but I don't know one way or the other. Someone that knows DA personally needs to ask him.
Joined: Nov 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 23 Location: Asheville, NC Karma: 1
Re: Dungeonmaster's Index (by Dave Arneson) « Reply #10 on Dec 5, 2007, 2:30am »
Quote:
If anyone knows where I can get a copy of this book, let me know. I suppose I could sit down and do an index myself, but it's always nicer when someone else does the busy work first...
Same here. Honestly, I'd probably end up re-keying the entire document and changing it to suit my own purposes, but I would love to see it.
Joined: Dec 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 669 Karma: 35
Re: Dungeonmaster's Index (by Dave Arneson) « Reply #11 on Dec 6, 2007, 9:53am »
Quote:
Quote:
As far as TSR having the rights, I wouldn't think so. It's not a TSR product. I don't recall exactly who published it (i.e.; what company Dave had that published it) but it is definitely NOT from TSR.
So that gives us some hope, doesn't it?
One can hope. I was thinking that since it is an index of TSR products they might have claimed it as part of settling the lawsuit, but I don't know one way or the other. Someone that knows DA personally needs to ask him.
I know Dave. I can ask him. I suspect he's still got the rights, but I could be wrong about that.
Dieter the Deathless, anger-fueled fighting machine.
Finarvyn Administrator Dungeon Master member is offline
Joined: Jun 2007 Gender: Male Posts: 4,674 Location: Near Chicago Karma: 178
Re: Dungeonmaster's Index (by Dave Arneson) « Reply #14 on Dec 7, 2007, 4:42pm »
It makes me wonder -- if you make an index of someone else's product, at what point does it become yours and at what point is it kind of the property of the person who wrote the original product?
I'm not saying that Dave doesn't or shouldn't have the rights to this book (especially since he is credited as co-author for most of the material he is indexing) but the "big picture" question got me wondering.....
Marv / Finarvyn DCC playtester (2011) C&C playtester (2003) I'm partly responsible for the S&W WhiteBox Builder of the TrollBridge Master of Mutants; MA since 1976 OD&D Player since 1975
"Don't ask me what you need to hit. Just roll the die and I will let you know!" - Dave Arneson
![[Home]](http://images.proboards.com/menu/home.gif "[Home]")
![[New Topics]](http://images.proboards.com/menu/topics.png "[New Topics]")
![[Help]](http://images.proboards.com/menu/help.gif "[Help]")
![[Search]](http://images.proboards.com/menu/search.gif "[Search]")
![[Login]](http://images.proboards.com/menu/login.gif "[Login]")
![[Register]](http://images.proboards.com/menu/register.gif "[Register]")
![[Search This Thread]](http://images.proboards.com/search2.gif "[Search This Thread]")
![[Share Topic]](http://images.proboards.com/new/buttons/share.png "[Share Topic]")
![[Print]](http://images.proboards.com/buttons/print.gif "[Print]")
Author
Logged
![[avatar]](http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_4qI6i7wKX1c/SdZoRveimpI/AAAAAAAAADI/N5Grto0YRg4/S220/Mage.JPG "[avatar]")
![[homepage]](http://images.proboards.com/buttons/www_sm.gif "[homepage]")
![[image]](http://www.waynesbooks.com/images/graphics/dmsindex.jpg "[image]")
So it just goes through SR#7 and doesn't cover any of The Dragon.
![[avatar]](http://images.community.wizards.com/community.wizards.com/user/finarvyn/avatar.jpg "[avatar]"){kind=avatar}